Shouting match between Zelensky and Trump

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and i posted a video of biden himself refuting your lie. you were wrong. who's trying to save face :dahell:

:skip: Do you honestly think Putin willl accept a ceasefire and freeze the war with Zelensky as president, pro-European government, and US/EU workers and security forces on Ukrainian soil?

Let’s calibrate this logically for a moment.
 

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:skip: Do you honestly think Putin willl accept a ceasefire and freeze the war with Zelensky as president, pro-European government, and US/EU workers and security forces on Ukrainian soil?

Let’s calibrate this logically for a moment.
if you aren't volunteering to go fight over there, or cutting a personal check after taxes and sending it to ukraine, who do you think you're shaming over here :mjlol:

zelensky is effectively beaten. it's over. it's time to land the fukkin plane
 

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if you aren't volunteering to go fight over there, or cutting a personal check after taxes and sending it to ukraine, who do you think you're shaming over here :mjlol:
:mjlol: once again you can’t answer. Either on account of your low IQ and not being able to parse information and critically think or because you know it’s a fukking work. Either way you bottomed out.

zelensky is effectively beaten. it's over. it's time to land the fukkin plane
Sounding more like MAGA day after day. Even down to the goofy turn of phrases. :mjlol:

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sounding more like MAGA everyday
i guess unlike you, i don't look at every situation through a political lens, so i can bootlick the Democrats

here are the facts; Zelensky can either kiss trump's ass, or go to the europeans for his money. i don't care either way :yeshrug: we've given ukraine enough

you might have a problem with reality, but whining on the internet won't change it
 

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here are the facts; Zelensky can either kiss trump's ass, or go to the europeans for his money. i don't care either way :yeshrug: we've given ukraine enough
Save the both sides caccery. I literally explained to you that the vast majority of money goes to American industry and workers
Referring to the tweet hillbilly. No where in the tweet does d Biden mention financial aid. Did ya expect others not to read things because you don’t?

I know we’ve been over this before and you have a penchant for lying and forgetting things but let’s reiterate

Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?

Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.

Examples include the Presidential Drawdown Authority, the Foreign Military Financing Program and the Ukraine Security Assistant Initiative. The PDA arms Ukraine and pays U.S. companies for replenishing that armament. The FMF generates greater demand for U.S. firms by encouraging foreign countries to buy weapons from those firms. The USAI provides intelligence and logistical support to Ukraine, often through contracts with U.S. firms. Additional aid is spent on strengthening U.S. military presence abroad.

While the U.S. is the largest absolute donor to Ukraine, it ranks 15th among countries for aid as a percentage of GDP, according to a September 2024 report by the Council of Foreign Relations.



90% of Ukraine aid spending stays in the U.S., creating thousands of jobs

Although some may claim U.S. aid vanishes into a cesspool of unchecked Ukrainian corruption, one study has shown that 90% of Ukraine aid dollars are not actually sent to Ukraine after all. Rather, these funds stay in the U.S., where leading defense contractors have invested tens of billions in over 100 new industrial manufacturing facilities, creating thousands of jobs across at least 38 states directly, with vital subcomponents sourced from all 50 states.


Virtually all the munitions Ukraine is most reliant upon are fully built in the U.S., ranging from javelins made in Alabama, to Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) made in West Virginia, Arkansas, and Texas. Not forgetting the smaller-ticket items such as night-vision gear, medical supplies, and small-arms ammunition, all made in the U.S. Any additional Ukraine aid would likely only help the U.S. economy even more, since previous weapons shipments were largely drawdowns of musty old stockpiles and existing inventories rather than new supplies.




I forgive you, your MAGA brethren don’t understand how dat Economo mombo jumbo works either. It’s all magic and chicanery I’ll tell you what.



Now Zelensky complained to Biden because aid was being leaked slowly to Ukraine. A lot of the advanced weaponry didn’t arrive until late and Ukraine at the time was on the offensive. My conspiracy theory is Biden wanted to stretch out the war and prevent Russia from completely collapsing.



I have zero but it doesn’t take a hill billy to see the war is going badly for your daddy



Why can’t you people retain information? Why are you so stupid? Is this a pathological thing with you?

Yeah we do owe Ukraine we literally forced them to give up their Nukes and guaranteed their sovereignty.

In what dumbass hillbilly reality do you think that allowing Russia to destroy Europe and our allies to lose faith in America doesn’t have significant blow back to the US? Do you think in a globalized world that the US can just act like a low rent thug and backstab its economic allies.

you might have a problem with reality, but whining on the internet won't change it
Only you Magacac pussies think Russia is unbeatable and are winning. Not even the Orcs have that much confidence

 

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Save the both sides caccery. I literally explained to you that the vast majority of money goes to American industry and workers

Why can’t you people retain information? Why are you so stupid? Is this a pathological thing with you?

Yeah we do owe Ukraine we literally forced them to give up their Nukes and guarantees their sovereignty.


Only you Magacac pussies think Russia is unbeatable and are winning. Not even the Orcs have that much confidence


:russell: you win, breh. nothing is more important than sending zelensky infinite money. it makes our lives so much better. never mind the fact that you can't say when or how it ends; meaningless details

i'm staggered by your intelligence
 

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:russell: you win, breh. nothing is more important than sending zelensky infinite money. it makes our lives so much better. i'm staggered by your intelligence
Again your ability to retain information has to be studied. The majority of funds stays in America. Your teachers must have loved moving your desk to the hallway.

Referring to the tweet hillbilly. No where in the tweet does d Biden mention financial aid. Did ya expect others not to read things because you don’t?

I know we’ve been over this before and you have a penchant for lying and forgetting things but let’s reiterate

Fact Check: Does most U.S. aid to Ukraine go to U.S. companies and workers?

Nearly 70% of the $175 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine since Russia’s 2022 invasion was spent in the U.S. or on U.S. forces, according to a study by the American Enterprise Institute published in May 2024.

Examples include the Presidential Drawdown Authority, the Foreign Military Financing Program and the Ukraine Security Assistant Initiative. The PDA arms Ukraine and pays U.S. companies for replenishing that armament. The FMF generates greater demand for U.S. firms by encouraging foreign countries to buy weapons from those firms. The USAI provides intelligence and logistical support to Ukraine, often through contracts with U.S. firms. Additional aid is spent on strengthening U.S. military presence abroad.

While the U.S. is the largest absolute donor to Ukraine, it ranks 15th among countries for aid as a percentage of GDP, according to a September 2024 report by the Council of Foreign Relations.



90% of Ukraine aid spending stays in the U.S., creating thousands of jobs

Although some may claim U.S. aid vanishes into a cesspool of unchecked Ukrainian corruption, one study has shown that 90% of Ukraine aid dollars are not actually sent to Ukraine after all. Rather, these funds stay in the U.S., where leading defense contractors have invested tens of billions in over 100 new industrial manufacturing facilities, creating thousands of jobs across at least 38 states directly, with vital subcomponents sourced from all 50 states.


Virtually all the munitions Ukraine is most reliant upon are fully built in the U.S., ranging from javelins made in Alabama, to Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (GMLRS) made in West Virginia, Arkansas, and Texas. Not forgetting the smaller-ticket items such as night-vision gear, medical supplies, and small-arms ammunition, all made in the U.S. Any additional Ukraine aid would likely only help the U.S. economy even more, since previous weapons shipments were largely drawdowns of musty old stockpiles and existing inventories rather than new supplies.




I forgive you, your MAGA brethren don’t understand how dat Economo mombo jumbo works either. It’s all magic and chicanery I’ll tell you what.



Now Zelensky complained to Biden because aid was being leaked slowly to Ukraine. A lot of the advanced weaponry didn’t arrive until late and Ukraine at the time was on the offensive. My conspiracy theory is Biden wanted to stretch out the war and prevent Russia from completely collapsing.



I have zero but it doesn’t take a hill billy to see the war is going badly for your daddy





We literally operate 12 nuclear powered Aircraft carriers that operate year round and house the arsenals of large nations and dozens of bases around the globe yet you think 120 billion, 90% of which stays in America is “infinite” money.

You small minded hill billy. Bet when Trump says some shyt like “Obama gave sheets, I gave Javelins” and you’re like “I don’t like him but that line was fire”

:laff:
 

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You small minded hill billy. Bet when Trump says some shyt like “Obama gave sheets, I gave Javelins” and you’re like “I don’t like him but that line was fire”

:laff:
hilarious that you think you're mocking me right now, by crashing out over a bunch of corrupt nazi eastern europeans :mjlol:

you win the ukraine sympathy contest. congratulations :mjlol:you're the better man
 

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hilarious that you think you're mocking me right now, by crashing out over a bunch of corrupt nazi eastern europeans :mjlol:

A Jewish Nazi. :laff: Keep going. You’re a step away from hidden Biolabs and secret NATO organ harvesting

The vast majority of Americans agree with me hillbilly.








you win the ukraine sympathy contest. congratulations :mjlol:you're the better man

Yes, it’s been studied how conservatives have trouble empathizing with anyone they don’t personally know


Base tribalistic animals. Probably served real well on the steppes or caucuses.
 

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If you look past Trump and the horrible but expected way he has handled this, there still remains the question what is the expected endgame here? How does this end for Ukraine even if America kept sending them resources or Europe makes up the difference if they stop? Is there a realistic chance that they push Russia out?

Ukraine has very little leverage and with Trump it's getting worse. Meanwhile although Russia looks weaker than we thought they would, Putin has no cares about using the Zapp Brannigan vs. the Killbots war strategy. He'll just keep sending more and more Russian soldiers to their deaths until Ukraine finally has to give up. Ukraines citizens will continue to die.

Does anybody know exactly what the terms of the offer are?
 

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Is there a realistic chance that they push Russia out?

In the immediate future it’s unlikely Ukraine will be able to push out Russia, however Putin is in his 70’s and with the toll the war is taking on Russias economy and the top down structure of command structure there is every bit the opportunity to not only end Russia but recover Ukrainian territories down the line.

Allowing Russia to rearm, refit, recover economically and build fortified defenses in the East from which to launch further attacks is not the wave.

I implore you to read some literature on WW2 in how appeasement of dictators works. Spoiler, it doesn’t.

Meanwhile although Russia looks weaker than we thought they would, Putin has no cares about using the Zapp Brannigan vs. the Killbots war strategy. He'll just keep sending more and more Russian soldiers to their deaths until Ukraine finally has to give up.
Russian propaganda. Russia does not have an inexhaustible supply of men. Their attack pace and advances have declined dramatically as the war has gone on.



Does anybody know exactly what the terms of the offer are?

More importantly has Putin signified he is ready for a ceasefire?
 
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