You literally cannot discuss Bron on here without 2011. If you think the 10 Cavs and 20 Clippers are comparable casts to try and take to the Finals I don't know what to tell you.
Should Kawhi Leonard’s 2 finals Wins be in question now?
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hell yeah we hold that against him all the time. Fact of the matter is since then Bron has won 3 finals as the best player and established himself firmly as the leagues best player since then until KD a few years ago. But in 2010/2011 Bron def took a hit and was shytted on for what happened.
shytting on Kawhi now IS being consistent
No.
Real shyt tho, it’s gon take another failure next season for people to really start questioning shyt.....
Next season gon be good
Next season gon be good
Saysumthinfunnymike
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hell yeah we hold that against him all the time. Fact of the matter is since then Bron has won 3 finals as the best player and established himself firmly as the leagues best player since then until KD a few years ago. But in 2010/2011 Bron def took a hit and was shytted on for what happened.
shytting on Kawhi now IS being consistent
Fair enough.. just so we are all clear, LeBron and the Cavs were a heavy favorite in betting lines against the 2010 version of the Celtics and all the analysts were picking them too.
I want to make sure we are remembering all this.
Kawhi definitely deserves some blame i don't think it really diminishes his two MVPs tho
etrofllenrod504
All Star
He gets his props for what he did in both those finals. The problem came into play after last year run how he was catapulted into elite status off of one playoff run(where he was that dude on the team). So the media just wanted to overrate him acting like he was a human cheat code to have on your team. Oh you have Kawhi come playoff time you automatically in the finals, he's only cares about the post season you get there he gonna super saiyan your team to the finals. Basically shytting on the regular season like it don't matter. Which basically shytting on all elite players who put in work in the post season and regular season. I'm glad this shyt happen so now clowns can stop trynna devalue regular season and players who show up for both. Ain't no short cuts either you gonna grind to get there or get exposed when it counts most.
Fair enough.. just so we are all clear, LeBron and the Cavs were a heavy favorite in betting lines against the 2010 version of the Celtics and all the analysts were picking them too.
I want to make sure we are remembering all this.
Kawhi definitely deserves some blame i don't think it really diminishes his two MVPs tho
trust me, i remember
Straw Hat Luffy
Veteran
What the fukk was the Raptors before him
What is this "he" shyt like he was even the main reason why they won? That Spurs team was lighting the Heat up to the tune of 52% from the field. nikkas act like Kawhi outplayed Bron or some shyt.
nikka, duh, everyone knocks LeBron for 2011. Have you been on this board at all?
2010 isn't similar at all to Kawhi's situation. The Clippers were every bit as talented as the Nuggets, and the Clippers had 3 chances to win the series, but Kawhi came up small in both games six and seven near the end.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
Yall underrate the fukk out of Iggy's performance. Didn't Bron have the most missed shots in an finals? Was terrible in some of those 4th quarters. Iggy was very impressive.
He just still shouldn't have won MVP.
He just still shouldn't have won MVP.
Lord_Chief_Rocka
Superstar
They had to give it to someone. No one really stood out statistically.
murksiderock
Superstar
Cause the main narrative around kawhi has been 2x FMVP this, led a team that. He was lucky in the sense that the 2014 finals wasn’t memorable for anything other than the Spurs running Lebron out of Miaminobody talks about that series outside of that....and kawhi winning the FMVP. He was like the 3rd or 4th best player on that team
9 points game one. 9/2/0 actually though he was +11 and played defense relatively well. He played 22 minutes or so
9/2/3/1 fouled out(I think) game 2
then he broke lose I believe game 3 with 30 and averaged 20+ the next 2 games to win it. It’s debatable but people do speak as if he was averaging 30 a night for that FMVP. The narrative used to be “he won it cause he guarded lebron” and that narrative fell on Andre igudola the following year. In fact it was Kawhi who kicked started that narrative but it changed.
2019=KD hurt, Klay gets hurt in that elimination game. He played well but listen..... Kawhi doesn’t have a MVP. No scoring titles. His raw stats are low. 2x DPOY but only 2x all first team once. 2x only twice(including this year btw) 6x all defense( 3 each) all star 4x and all star mvp but for the most part(and he has a steals title too) he falls back on those 2 titles as a winning player. That’s how he’s marketed as. A guy you plug on and he just wins.....but should that be in question now?
I know he has the all time winning record...in some shyt I forgot and don’t feel like googling . But looking at how he played for....
His previous Finals wins are only in question because of the way people overstated his contributions to them...
Also, because people ran overboard as if he's never had some iffy playoff moments. He was on fire in '17 and '19. The deciding series of '16 and '20, he looked bad, but people last year scrubbed '16 from their brains...
Alot of players have a ring as a complementary piece. Thats what he was in '14. We all know it, but the obsession with devaluing LeBron caused that W to get overstated. He played well. It wasn't some All-Time performance, he wasnt the best player on the team, and its not as if the Spurs needed him specifically, the 2014 version of Kawhi Leonard, to win that series, the Heat were toast in that series regardless...
So regarding '14, of course it counts, The Culture just needs to stop acting as if it was some prolific, legendary performance and led his team to victory...
'19, obviously it counts. VanVleet or Siakam coulda won FMVP, Kawhi was the best player on the floor for one game in a 6-game series. Now, of course he was the Raptors best player and the primary factor they got that far, but thats a different discussion. He didn't have some iconic Finals....he did have an outstanding and memorable playoff run overall, but again people should keep in proper perspective, it arguably wasnt even better thab the simultaneous run KD was on pre-injury...
Without closing the season with a title, you can make a more than solid case Harden was the 4th greatest player of the 2010s. The comparisons of saying Kawhi was greater than Durant or Steph, much less LeBron, were never justifiable as his impact on the sport is significantly less than all three and he has put in work at an elite level for a significantly less time than all three...
Maybe now he returns to where he always shoulda been anyway---->'19 put him in Top 50 All-Time range, the same area Westbrook and Harden are in. Anything higher than Top 40 after '19 was never justifiable, and even had he won it all this year, jumping inside the Top 25 wouldn't have been justifiable, though people were already doing it...
His story isn't over, he still has time and room to climb. As it is, of his contemporaries of his era, he doesnt and never has been deserving of being treated and regarded as equal to LeBron, Durant, or Steph; he's in the CP3, Westbrook, Beard range on an All-Time scale, with room to climb...
And yall nikkas know this ain't reactionary from murksiderock, I been saying the exact same shyt about homie the last 15 months. Nothing has changed with murksiderock...
lol it’s like this started one way and still ended with a peg leg indictment
I agree, Tim, Manu, or Tony should’ve gotten that MVP over him
