Should a person making food at McDonalds be able to afford rent and groceries with their paycheck?

[Wild self]

Ultimately in a free market society, the true answer to this questions is one we should ask ourselves.
Would you ever eat at mcdonalds if they were charging sit down restaurant prices for their food, because if you increase the pay the food prices will inevitably increase as well. Mcd's value is in its value, you not willing to drop $20 on a bigmac then you essentially agree that fastfood workers don't deserve a living wage.

European McDonalds have almost the same prices on the menu as the American ones, and they pay significantly higher over there.

No, a Big Mac or 20 piece McNuggets aint gonna cost you $20 in order for workers to make a livable wage where they can get shelter and food.

 

[Luke Cage]

European McDonalds have almost the same prices on the menu as the American ones, and they pay significantly higher over there.

No, a Big Mac or 20 piece McNuggets aint gonna cost you $20 in order for workers to make a livable wage where they can get shelter and food.

cost of living in europe is cheaper than america though, you can get a 1 bedroom apartment in russia for $200 a month usd

 

[Will Ross]

European McDonalds have almost the same prices on the menu as the American ones, and they pay significantly higher over there.

No, a Big Mac or 20 piece McNuggets aint gonna cost you $20 in order for workers to make a livable wage where they can get shelter and food.

A business's only responsibility is to pay a fair wage for the labor.
And you can't compare European Mcdonald's with American two different business models

 

[Wild self]

A business's only responsibility is to pay a fair wage for the labor.
And you can't compare European Mcdonald's with American two different business models

Same corporation. Why not have the same highee quality of living for both areas?

 

[LunaticVillage415]

I use to believe those type of jobs was for teens and early career people, but we have a lot functional people with mental illness in this country that these jobs are what they are comfortable doing. Or just people who lives are setup were 15$ is enough to maintain. People find a way to survive even with no money coming in. When the last time you heard some starved to death in the US?

I moved to DC making 40k a month. I had to have a roommate for years just to make it. Started getting my money up and I was able to afford to have my own place. Today in DC I dont' think you can have a car note and own crib without 80k.

People with disabilities and mental illness tend to be courtesy clerks at grocery stores and back of house staff at restaurants like dishwashers. People with Autism start stimming out of the blue rocking back and forth with their eyes closed or want to have intense conversations about their obsessions with random people all the time... they make horrible cashiers and customer service employees.

Most front of house fast food workers seem pretty normal in terms of sanity and don’t have mental disabilities. They might not be the brightest at times, but even that is debatable.

People work in fast food because that’s all they can get or what they’ve grown accustom to doing. Can you blame them? What’s the other option... retail? Or maybe going door to door bothering people at home trying sell them some shyt they don’t want or need. Or going to gamble in the high stakes casino known as modern higher education, major in hyperthermal nuclear underwater WiFi sex science only to graduate into an economically blasted recession wrecked job market where the optimism of the career trajectory of their major field of study 4-6 years ago is meaningless.

 

[Will Ross]

Same corporation. Why not have the same highee quality of living for both areas?

Because Mcdonald's is not a novelty in the USA.
In other places it is.

 

[Wild self]

People with disabilities and mental illness tend to be courtesy clerks at grocery stores and back of house staff at restaurants like dishwashers. People with Autism start stimming out of the blue rocking back and forth with their eyes closed or want to have intense conversations about their obsessions with random people all the time... they make horrible cashiers and customer service employees.

Most front of house fast food workers seem pretty normal in terms of sanity and don’t have mental disabilities. They might not be the brightest at times, but even that is debatable.

People work in fast food because that’s all they can get or what they’ve grown accustom to doing. Can you blame them? What’s the other option... retail? Or maybe going door to door bothering people at home trying sell them some shyt they don’t want or need. Or going to gamble in the high stakes casino known as modern higher education, major in hyperthermal nuclear underwater WiFi sex science only to graduate into an economically blasted recession wrecked job market where the optimism of the career trajectory of their major field of study 4-6 years ago is meaningless.

Coli says that STEM majors are all eating....

 

[ColdSlither]

It boggles my mind that this is even an argument. If you're working 40 hours, you should be able to afford a basic ass apartment. I read through the comments on Nina's tweet when she posted it. It's hilarious how people detract and want to derail the argument with, "Well let's just give everyone penthouse apartments then." Which isn't what anyone is saying. And teenagers aren't going to be able to work enough hours to afford an apartment. Unless it's the summer, I don't see teens working the breakfast and lunch shifts. Everything to detract from the problem that is the cost of living. Hell, you might find an argument in that thread with me in it, with someone about what the intent of the minimum wage is. Let's just say that he didn't like my answer that it was established to protect workers from employers, and that employees at least made a basic living wage to survive.

 

[richbosszar]

Those jobs were meant for teens 30 years ago. There are adults working full-time there now

and those "teens" at 18 could afford their own apartments and cars. by the 1980s standard someone working at mcdonalds was making like 20 bucks an hour adjusted for inflation. So what's your point?

 

[richbosszar]

Fast food law passed in California this year makes it so fast food workers make $22/hour minimum.

$22 a hour. For any fast food workers. 16 year olds out here can work for $22/hour. They just dont want the jobs.

1) thats more than base pay at corporate jobs like verizon, banks, tmobile, at&t etc.

2) they still cant find workers.

Its not a hourly issue. Kids just lazy as fukk.

are you insane? the cost of living in some cali cities is 35 dollars an hour

 

[Silky Johnson]

Federal minimum wage should be adjusted to the average cost of living across all states. The states can then adjust the mw if the cost to live there is higher than the national average to meet the requirements.

The poverty line numbers are foolishness but the actual cost of living in the US is roughly $40,000 per year.

Average full time worker spends 2,000 hours working per year so federal minimum wage should $20/hr.

Any adult working a full time job should be able to cover the costs of living regardless of what they do.

If an employer feels the role & set of tasks is important enough to dedicate a person to the job, they have the responsibility to pay that person the necessary wage so that they can live with dignity.

The arguments used against paying someone a living wage can always be used against middle management and administration

 

[Secure Da Bag]

What an idiotic statement

Of course not they should not be able to afford rent unless they live in a very small town

You are working an unskilled labor job. If you want more money, you can always gain skills

People used to be able to afford rent and groceries making 1.68/hr. So explain why it's wrong now?

IMO, you shouldn't expect to support a family on a fast food salary. But supporting yourself (ie 1 person) is not unreasonable. It used to be normal.

So for all the people saying "no", explain why it's wrong now, but was right before.

Minimum Wage in America: A Timeline | HISTORY

Since 1938, the U.S. federal government has established that workers are entitled to a base hourly wage. Which workers receive that minimum—and how much—has remained a political issue.

www.history.com

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/21/politics/minimum-wage-inflation-productivity/index.html

 

[AquaCityBoy]

If you think McDonald's workers don't deserve a livable wage because they're 'unskilled,' then you are admitting that you think people need to be 'skilled' in order to barely make ends meet.

 

[tuckgod]

Job won’t exist in 10 years

 

[richbosszar]

The reality is there are always going to be poor people. If you raise their wages you can expect the products and services they use, to raise in price correspondingly. Additionally, businesses are going to make a profit at a certain percentage no matter what, so they are going to increase product prices to cover their increased labor costs. If you keep raising wages of the poorest workers, you are going to be caught in an inflation cycle. The only thing you are going to accomplish is adding the middle class to the poor.

To increase your wages you need to have a skill that is needed by society. You can't expect to live a easy life with little to no desireable skills. For example, people don't want to be an A/C repairman, a plumber, an electritian. because its not sexy. All of those careers are in demand and will get you 100k in income. You can eventually start your own business. Once the price of labor exceeds the cost of automation, you are going to see those jobs go away. Its pretty simple. People have this idea that they deserve something because they exist.

Now should we help the poor? Absolutly. I am all for housing assitance and food assistance and helping people get back on their feet. However, it shouldnt' be a lifestyle. We need everyone to contribute something to society.

you mean like boomers when they had no skills and walked into a job and could afford apartments at 18?