Serious: Why wouldn’t a Black American Share More In Common Culturally With A White American over an African?

[Ish Gibor]

I'm trying to be purposefully vague, but fukk it, we were sent to Amsterdam for (his) work. He was busting his ass working while we were there, we had no time to country hop, but I went to the outdoor market everyday and had learned rudimentary Dutch by the time we left. We were in what appeared to be one of the 'blacker' neighborhoods. I felt very comfortable. We showed love to the Surinamese and they showed love to us. (Arabs showed love too, btw and apropos to nothing.)

Okay get it. The largest Black community in Amsterdam is in the Southeast (Zuid Oost / Bijlmer short for Bijlmermeer). Although the Bijlmer is multicultural as well, it is predominantly Black multiethnic.

Those "Arabs" were probably Moroccans (Northwest Africans). They predominately inhabit the West side of Amsterdam.

Which is why I made the parenthetical specification that that was a placeholder for whatever unusual, distinctly British mannerisms they've absorbed.

Okay, got it. Glade to hear you had a nice and pleasant time. That is important to us as a community.


Nakmeezy (ADOS) lives in the city I am in, and lives a few blocks away from where I am. I think this interview fits this conversation perfectly, although he's a bit too stoic in my opinion.

"Whats good everyone? Today we have a good brother from the United States Nakmeezy. He is very active in the Pan African Community online and in the field. He has been to Ghana and he has some thoughts as to why many of our African American Brothers have issues resettling on the African Continent."




Some nice vids:

A guy from California living in the Netherlands.




Controversial figure Maryjane Byarm visited her Surinamese friend in Amsterdam.






Kenyan YouTuber went to Amsterdam (Bijlmer) and had a tour guide showing her around.

 

[Fanservice]

i've been saying this for years
yall are more related to Hank, Chad and Bethy than a Fode, Tunde or Aissatta

I tell you hwat mayne

 

[mag357]

This is a terrible thing. It's just how they want us, isolated and confused.

Who is "US"? as
black people?
Cause my peoples are good. Lol
Neither isolated nor confused.
And I hope that your people are good as well

How other black color people are doing in this world is not an indictment on me and their accomplishments are not my accomplishments.

One of the biggest problems for people in general, is not understanding the importance of SELF.
If everyone thinks about Self and bettering ones self first. Then each person makes a community better.
If that their goal or important to them.

People think about the "whole" or others and these big subjects, without fixing what is right Infront of you.

Once you do that, you'll see that no one is concerned about your well-being accept for yourself maybe not even family.

So Worrying about the "whole", when it's only just a sum of parts. Is backward thinking.
IMO, respectfully

 

[mag357]

I don't think many of these things you spoke of are exclusive to Africa. I think these are things that are part of life, unfortunately.

Are you saying they hated on you wherever you went? Did I interpret that correctly?

Did the Africans hate on me....?
No, not at all.
Great interactions and made some great, lasting connections.
Are they different than me? Yes.
From they way they see the world and themselves.

American blacks will hate on you, will kill you for what you have and only talk unity when they want something from you or need your help.

So I feel that just because these people are the same color as me it means nothing.
We are all individuals with our own motives.

 

[Ish Gibor]

Did the Africans hate on me....?
No, not at all.
Great interactions and made some great, lasting connections.
Are they different than me? Yes.
From they way they see the world and themselves.

American blacks will hate on you, will kill you for what you have and only talk unity when they want something from you or need your help.

So I feel that just because these people are the same color as me it means nothing.
We are all individuals with our own motives.

When you say “how they view the world”, do you mean they all have the same political and social views?

 

[mag357]

When you say “how they view the world”, do you mean they all have the same political and social views?

I would say more socially.
But it may seep into their political views as well. Which is hard for me to say only being a visitor.

what I meant is... As an American black man, my experiences shape my view of myself and others from that perspective.
For me personally, I feel like I can't trust most people, especially those not of my race.
And I need to do for myself.
(This could be looked at socially and politically)

They seem to be very welcoming to everyone, especially whites. And it feels as if the think whites are better. And that whites are "great" and powerful enough to help them.
And they don't possess the power to help themselves.
(Socially and maybe politically)
That's Just my opinion of them.

Because their history is different then ours, I understand why they may see things differently, but it's almost as if they don't know history at all pertaining to whites and what they are capable of doing. In the negative sense.

I try to be understanding knowing that economically, the black people on that continent aren't doing as well as the black people here. So that also shapes the way they are, and how they see themselves and the world. So I don't judge too harshly.

I hope these words make some sense.
I have been meaning to write it all down to try to get it clear even to myself

 

[Ish Gibor]

I would say more socially.
But it may seep into their political views as well. Which is hard for me to say only being a visitor.

what I meant is... As an American black man, my experiences shape my view of myself and others from that perspective.
For me personally, I feel like I can't trust most people, especially those not of my race.
And I need to do for myself.
(This could be looked at socially and politically)

They seem to be very welcoming to everyone, especially whites. And it feels as if the think whites are better. And that whites are "great" and powerful enough to help them.
And they don't possess the power to help themselves.
(Socially and maybe politically)
That's Just my opinion of them.

Because their history is different then ours, I understand why they may see things differently, but it's almost as if they don't know history at all pertaining to whites and what they are capable of doing. In the negative sense.

I try to be understanding knowing that economically, the black people on that continent aren't doing as well as the black people here. So that also shapes the way they are, and how they see themselves and the world. So I don't judge too harshly.

I hope these words make some sense.
I have been meaning to write it all down to try to get it clear even to myself

As you probably know by now, I am from overseas residing in the Netherlands. My barber is Nigerian and his clientele is very diverse, going from Africans for several countries to several Caribbean countries. We do speak on these topics like geopolitics, politics and economy, so I do see some of the views some hold.

I do recognitive some of the tings you've mentioned in how they view certain aspects.

The reason I asked is because in these countries they do have apposing political parties. And at times I follow Dynast Amir (Search for Uhuru) when these debates take place. Dynast is a Black American (Freedman).

Note. Have not see and heard this stream, but the topic seems intriguing. But I will watch it later this day.

"Nigerian Man Is Sad That African Americans Aren't Investing In Nigeria".

 

[Ish Gibor]

I would say more socially.
But it may seep into their political views as well. Which is hard for me to say only being a visitor.

what I meant is... As an American black man, my experiences shape my view of myself and others from that perspective.
For me personally, I feel like I can't trust most people, especially those not of my race.
And I need to do for myself.
(This could be looked at socially and politically)

They seem to be very welcoming to everyone, especially whites. And it feels as if the think whites are better. And that whites are "great" and powerful enough to help them.
And they don't possess the power to help themselves.
(Socially and maybe politically)
That's Just my opinion of them.

Because their history is different then ours, I understand why they may see things differently, but it's almost as if they don't know history at all pertaining to whites and what they are capable of doing. In the negative sense.

I try to be understanding knowing that economically, the black people on that continent aren't doing as well as the black people here. So that also shapes the way they are, and how they see themselves and the world. So I don't judge too harshly.

I hope these words make some sense.
I have been meaning to write it all down to try to get it clear even to myself

What’s your opinion on this?

Continental Africans need to understand this about some African Americans. / FBA /ADOS/ Freedmen

 

[BlackJesus]

Why not vice versa? Why not learn BA culture?

They don’t live in a majority black society

 

[BlackJesus]

If those ideas aren't helping them sacrifice and build up their homelands, then what do I need to listen to them for?

And, you need to stop buying into the whole pan-African idea. It has done nothing for us for the past 100 years and is a deadly anchor because it has caused us to Africanize ourselves when we should've been identifying and embracing being American and telling the true American story.

ADOS are the fabric of America. We've always been this country's fabric. We need to embrace it and entrench ourselves in that, not some pan-African, unified people myth. They not unified in Africa so you embracing this collective pan-African nonsense looks crazy.

America isn’t family, it’s home but not family. You’re trying to force a relationship with white Americans that doesn’t exist. Africa is family. specifically west Africa.

If you’re American, be American. But recognize the difference and stop with these embarrassing comments

 

[louisvandross]

It depends on the white person and depends on the african





Yall talk as if everything is a monolith, as if every black person is the same, as if every white person is the same, as if African is the same


This board loves to do that

This is one of the few things that happen outside and in public as much as it do on the coli. What you're saying is still true

 

[3rdWorld]

America isn’t family, it’s home but not family. You’re trying to force a relationship with white Americans that doesn’t exist. Africa is family. specifically west Africa.

If you’re American, be American. But recognize the difference and stop with these embarrassing comments

Some of these posters are depressed and in need of deep psychiatric treatment..his positions and arguments are unnatural. Onlya mentally challenged self hater would utte such trite and think hes making sense and compelling arguments.
You also have to blame the educational system for producing adults whom cannot reason or calculate anything.

I dont know what he means they have more in common..what, breathing in oxygen and expelling cardon dioxide???

Another thing Black communities the world over are going to have to do is cut loose all the c00ns, gangsters and other worthless liabilities..not everyone will be on the carriage to the promised land and we need to get the clear now.

 

[Biscayne]

They don’t live in a majority black society

This is stupid. So they shouldn't learn about BA culture because BA's live in a predominantly white country?

America isn’t family, it’s home but not family. You’re trying to force a relationship with white Americans that doesn’t exist. Africa is family. specifically west Africa.

If you’re American, be American. But recognize the difference and stop with these embarrassing comments

Millions of Black Americans who have kinship through a shared 400yr struggle aren't family? But some Continental Africans thousands of miles away are family?

 

[Voice of Reason]

This is stupid. So they shouldn't learn about BA culture because BA's live in a predominantly white country?

Millions of Black Americans who have kinship through a shared 400yr struggle aren't family? But some Continental Africans thousands of miles away are family?

Yeah these folks arguments make no sense.

 

[Voice of Reason]

I'll say this. As a nikka that's been back to the continent a few times.

You better realize your community is the people who love you, think like you, want you to prosper and vice versa.
The biggest part of what a community is, is a shared culture.

In Africa, I love being surrounded by all the black faces. But they aren't the same as me, and i can see how they let white people enslave them smh.
Just being honest. And it was hard on me to finally come to that conclusion.
But it's the same thing I see here.

In this country, the average white person doesn't hate you, he just doesn't care about you either way. He doesn't think about you. And doesn't understand you or the things you go through because our lives are different, for the most part.
When something happens to a black person, a white person has no understanding of what blacks goes through, so they blame us for our problems.

However You thinking other black people care about you in America or Africa is crazy too. nikkaz haven't cared about each other since the beginning of time. The only time you hear something about unity, is when a black person needs something from you.
Please understand your "brother" would kill you for the things you have. You brother sees your wife and daughter not as something to care about, but as something to use.
Your "sister" will put you in a position to lose your life.
They want to be better than you, and pray for your demise.

I will always have love for black people and have sensitivity to black issues because I am black and i have first hand knowledge of our issues.
But I also understand alot of people who go through struggle. It's not just necessarily a black thing.
And I now understand the color of our skin does not make you love me or make us family. Or make our motives the same.
In short, we do not share culture.

So Im at the point now, where I love who ever has love for me but my community is just me and my family.

You are not FBA