Serious: Why wouldn’t a Black American Share More In Common Culturally With A White American over an African?

Ish Gibor

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The European wants you to believe nobody could be seaferring prior to them. Just becauase they couldnt figure out without massive ships and batman gadgets. Meanwhile the indegenious people were using canoes:mjlol:
There is evidence that maritime history existed prior to Europeans arriving at the “new world”, that is certainly true.

And it’s a known fact that Amerindians had canoes. This is probably also how to the islands?

From where did the author get this?

What scientific methodology did he use to get this conclusion?

“Plate techtonic patterns show that the distance between Asia and the Americas is decreasing, not increasing, so the two continents were never connected, but were in fact on opposite sides of the prehistoric landmass Pangea.”

"Sweet potato is native to South America, but was found cultivated throughout the Pacific islands by early European explorers (Hartmann 2, et al. 1988). A sweet potato, being much less durable than coconut, could not have reached the islands by means other than human transport.
How does the author explain the modern potatoes and the distribution of potatoes all around the world?

There are some parts of history missing in his statements. Like 90% of historical events aren’t mentioned.

It is of no coincidence that the South Pacific is home to the great seafaring Polynesian people. Polynesians were sailing far and wide in the South Pacific long before the Europeans. Their culture revolved around it, as in the myth of Ru and Hina, two ancestral Polynesians who sailed the seas and discovered new lands (Pape-au, 1824). Using only the stars, the sun, and knowledge of currents, these people sailed their double-hulled canoes all over the South Pacific. Colonization of the islands in the South Pacific is believed to have occurred from west to east, despite the presence of easterly trade winds and currents. Nevertheless, linguistic, cultural, physical and archaeological similarities betwen Pacific islanders and Asians support this theory (Finney, 1976).
That’s interesting because the Polynesians do show genetic similarities.

“Genetic analysis of their modern descendants shows that people from the Pacific Islands and South America interacted long before Europeans arrived”
(Brian Handwerk July 8, 2020)



Ben Finney proved that long-range sailing without navigational instrments could be done successfully in 1976 when he sailed a Polynesian replica double-hulled canoe from Hawaii to Tahiti and back, a distance of 2,393 miles each way (Fig. 1) (Finney, 1976). The trip south took 30 days, and the trip back took only 22 days."

The distance was probably not that far off for them to manage.

Theres photographic evidence that there are "black"/African looking Pacific Islanders. Along with written and picture evidence of what looks to be black natives. But people dont seem to understand we have diverse phenotypes and people of the same tribe can look like a different people.
Is this in reference to Polynesians? Polynesians are Asians with a specific gene pool.

There would have been a genetic drift causing variation in the gene pool, after thousands upon thousands of years.

So there were probably also black natives among those that crossed the Beiring Strait.
The Bering Strait happed during the lower Paleolithic. If so these people who have had a genetic distance by now, due to the many mutations, like Polynesians etc.

*Although the lineage containing this haplotype must have originated in Africa, C3 is rare in Africa (1.0% in MKK) but widely distributed in East Asia, the New World, and Oceania.*
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“Frequencies display strong population differentiation, with the derived light skin pigmentation allele (A111T) fixed or nearly so in all European populations and *the ancestral allele predominant in sub-Saharan Africa and East Asia (Lamason et al. 2005; Norton et al. 2007).*
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“Phased haplotypes were retrieved from HapMap, Release 21. For phylogenetic analysis, graphs were drawn by the use of a simple nearest-neighbor approach and rooted by the use of ancestral alleles determined by comparison with other primate sequences.”
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"Of the remaining 10 common core haplotype groups, all ancestral at rs1426654, *eight clearly have their origins in Africa* (Figure 3B, Figure 4, and Table S4). Three early diverging haplotypes, C1, C2, and C4, are rare outside of Africa and clearly originated there."

*”In the lineage containing the majority of haplotypes, each of the three branches, containing C5, C6-C7, and C8-C11, give strong evidence of having originated in Africa.* C5 reaches its greatest abundance in West Africa and is rare outside of Africa. Within the other two branches, C6 and C9, which are the most common haplotypes in Africa, are also common worldwide, whereas C7 is abundant in East Asia and much less common but widespread in Africa.”
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“Our dating for this haplotype is consistent with a non-African origin. The most likely location for the origin of C11 is, therefore, within the region in which it is fixed or nearly so. As both models for the origin of C11 imply that C3 and C10 were present in ancestors of Europeans, the observed and inferred *distributions of these autosomal haplotypes are consistent with the single-out-of- Africa hypothesis derived using uniparental markers* (Oppenheimer 2003; Macaulay et al. 2005).”

(Victor A. Canfield et al., Molecular Phylogeography of a Human Autosomal Skin Color Locus Under Natural Selection 2013)

I dont buy the narrative all the black looking natives just dissapeared.
It depends on what you consider Black looking?

A biracial child (mulatto) can have the appearance of a North African. But it doesn’t make them a North African.














I would buy they got mixed in with slaves from Africa over the years.
It’s indeed true that in some places in the Americas newly arrived Africans mixed with the indigenous Amerindian populations.

However, we see untouched Amerindian communities being found, in the Amazon region, from time to time.

So we have a clear understanding of what they looked like then and now.

I dont put a number on it because that cant be done. But to deny it would be denying there were no black looking natives in America prior to slavery.
It depends on what is considered Black looking. Amerindians can have dark skin, wide noses, full lips. They at times do have a negroe appearance, with somewhat epicanthal folds (slanted eyes).

These people show to have genetic similarities to some Asian populations, but are distance due to mutations. So not only do they have physical just the physical appearances.

With that being said, what was the life expectancy of the average enslaved African in the 13 colonies?

Which would take a bold person/people to make that statement,it’s illogical and not based in fact. Im only providing reasonable doubt on the Europeans narrative,not making hardline declarations
There’s not doubts. It lacks understanding of world history.
 
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Breakdancing moves in Africa before the 1970s

Is this suggesting enslaved Africans took this with them to the new world. And as it developed in the new world it was developed into what we know now?
 

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Jay Cameron interviewing Ghanaian American - Thomas Mensah. Thomas Mensah's work at Bell Laboratories ultimately resulted in the development of a fiber optics system that has been successfully deployed at speeds of up to Mach 1. He received another three patents for his developments in the guided missile program.

Mensah sadly passed on March 27, 2024. This is a great example of Black Excellence. May god bless his soul🕊️

 

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So it basically the same as what happened with the development of modern music, and its roots?

"Jazz harmony at its structural and aesthetic level is based predominantly on African matrices,..."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/30039290
(Gerhard Kubik, The African Matrix in Jazz Harmonic Practices)
Black Music Research Journal
Vol. 25, No. 1/2 (Spring - Fall, 2005), pp. 167-222 (56 pages)
Published By: Center for Black Music Research


"Blues is considered an “American” genre of music but it’s still a historical and cultural continuation of African folk music adapted to a new environment. Therefore, African-American blues is both a foundation of American popular music and, stylistically, part of the larger African cultural family because it is fundamentally an African style of music."
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That African scale system is the fundamental root of blues music.


 

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So it basically the same as what happened with the development of modern music, and its roots?

"Jazz harmony at its structural and aesthetic level is based predominantly on African matrices,..."
https://www.jstor.org/stable/30039290
(Gerhard Kubik, The African Matrix in Jazz Harmonic Practices)
Black Music Research Journal
Vol. 25, No. 1/2 (Spring - Fall, 2005), pp. 167-222 (56 pages)
Published By: Center for Black Music Research


"Blues is considered an “American” genre of music but it’s still a historical and cultural continuation of African folk music adapted to a new environment. Therefore, African-American blues is both a foundation of American popular music and, stylistically, part of the larger African cultural family because it is fundamentally an African style of music."
[...]
That African scale system is the fundamental root of blues music.


Great information. The Original poster and some other black posters were wrong about black culture. Black Americans have preserves their African heritages. The African heritages have been innovated and additional cultural elements were invented in Black America, which forms a new identity in USA.

And adding to your post, another example is African slaves brought the banjos to the Americas. There are cultural similarities between an African and Black Americans.

 

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Great information. The Original poster and some other black posters were wrong about black culture. Black Americans have preserves their African heritages. The African heritages have been innovated and additional cultural elements were invented in Black America, which forms a new identity in USA.

And adding to your post, another example is African slaves brought the banjos to the Americas. There are cultural similarities between an African and Black Americans.

I did address the history of the banjo in the original thread. I went into the details. But notice in the thread I made. It’s about an Italian dude who claims jazz and blues started with them, Italians as the originators. He claims that Black were guest and had minor contributions as guests. (This is the commonality with southern whites, the OP is talking about. lol smh).


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