Sep 28 - Americans Have No Idea How Bad Inequality Really Is

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I hate to break the news to you but we all can't be equal.
even in communist countries the leaders are living it up
no saying we should all be equal. It's myopic to think the current system will survive forever, like damn near every system before it the collapse will come when the wealth inequality reaches a tipping point and the few on top get done in by the masses on the bottom. We can either learn from history or repeat it.
 
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Remove the states authority over standards for educational accomplishment and they'd truly be from up under the thumb of the state. :sas2:


... but when you say "If govt doesnt fund it who will" it sounds(to me) like you believe govt. to be the only answer, sorry if I misunderstood.


Wouldn't be the first time u misunderstood something pretty basic.

Remove public schools and most Americans would not get an education. Just from the simple fact that households with kids in public schools pay a flat fee regardless of how many kids they have in school. And people who don't have kids in school are also paying for those schools.

And I'm not sure how NOT having standards for education is a good thing. I can understand you not agreeing with the standards but I bet you don't even know what they are. You just know that they exist and are a govt invention, and thus are bad and shouldn't exist.

And AGAIN.... a school does not have to submit to state standards to exist... I went to private school in NY; we did not have to take Regents tests but all the public school kids did. If you home school your kid you can teach them whatever and however you want. So your implication that the state has a monopoly on education is a lie.




:heh: You can't possibly believe this.
Public schools haven't eradicated private schools, have they? My high school alma mater is still kicking and charging kids' families $40K a year for the privilege. So why would a public option nuke private ones? Surely the govt couldn't come up with a superior solution to the almighty private sector....
 

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Remove public schools and most Americans would not get an education.
I disagree, but lets assume you're right.
Then what?
How would employers respond?
How would the, -you must have a masters- climate change if most Americans were not going to college at all?
How would the value of a high school degree change?


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Public schools haven't eradicated private schools, have they? My high school alma mater is still kicking and charging kids' families $40K a year for the privilege. So why would a public option nuke private ones? Surely the govt couldn't come up with a superior solution to the almighty private sector....
:whoa:healthcare and education are two completely different beast... but I'd imagine a series of price controls being the biggest factor.
 
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I disagree, but lets assume you're right.
Then what?
How would employers respond?
How would the, -you must have a masters- climate change if most Americans were not going to college at all?
How would the value of a high school degree change?


:ld:



The rabbit hole would go way deeper. Less education = less demand = less economic activity, so your question is kind of a red herring. The employers probably wouldn't be hiring because many of them wouldn't even exist


:whoa:healthcare and education are two completely different beast... but I'd imagine a series of price controls being the biggest factor.
A public option != price controls

Mite be time to put HL's PoTY on ignore again, this is exhausting.
 

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Sorry fatherless ninjas but I don't feel like educating you on the reality that seeking a man who is an adequate provider for marriage, family and procreation is called normal outside of the black community. Only in the black community where ninjas are downtrodden and broke are women called gold diggers for seeking a man who can provide. It is a shaming tactic that falls on deaf ears with those of us who grew up with a father who actually handled his business.
:dwillhuh: wth does any of that have to do with the topic, we're having a general discussion about inequality and you just come in swinging with your premade TLR narratives. :mindblown:
 

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Who equated them? :what: I said i'd imagine price controls would be what would kill private healthcare, should the two run side by side.


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I figured u were equating the two as price controls are completely irrelevant to a public option

I didn't think you were that desperate to just go off on a complete tangent

And yea I am mad, very little of what you say makes sense or jives with reality, and you seem to have made a posting career of intentionally misconstruing people's posts
 

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And yea I am mad, very little of what you say makes sense or jives with reality, and you seem to have made a posting career of intentionally misconstruing people's posts
:shaq:Its the name of the game on this board.






... but I wasn't trying to say anything other than our govt. is doing an extremely sh*tty job with education, and I believe the market would yield better results.
I also don't believe your most people will be left without education argument to be true, but I accept that you and a great many people believe it to be a fact... and since I cant prove(empirically) that it wouldn't be the case, I'll just fall back.:manny:
 

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:shaq:Its the name of the game on this board.






... but I wasn't trying to say anything other than our govt. is doing an extremely sh*tty job with education, and I believe the market would yield better results.
I also don't believe your most people will be left without education argument to be true, but I accept that you and a great many people believe it to be a fact... and since I cant prove(empirically) that it wouldn't be the case, I'll just fall back.:manny:
What's stopping the market from providing a better solution now? There's nothing stopping the brightest minds from starting their own private school systems... some even have, and yet, most kids are still in public school. Why?

And if a family is living check to check, and all of a sudden has to pay $750 a month for each kid it has for them to get an education, do you really think 100% of those families will either make the sacrifices or go into massive debt to do it? You're not being realistic.
 

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What's stopping the market from providing a better solution now?

Regulations, both the good and the bad.





What you are basically asking is, why isn't the private sector successfully competing against a competitor who cant go out of business, isn't limited in resources(in any meaningful way), and sets all the rules :skip:
 

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Regulations, both the good and the bad.





What you are basically asking is, why isn't the private sector successfully competing against a competitor who cant go out of business, isn't limited in resources(in any meaningful way), and sets all the rules :skip:
I would argue that private entities like Google have more resources than the govt.

Naturally, you hide behind a libertarian talking point. What regulations?
 

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I would argue that private entities like Google have more resources than the govt.

Naturally, you hide behind a libertarian talking point. What regulations?
I dont believe there is any industry where the state can be 'out resourced' if you will, but you never know :ehh:



:whoa:I don't want to get into a debate over regulations, but any form of licensure, code, standards, hiring practices, even wage laws are what i'm talking about... and IMO they all effect the markets ability to produce the best outcome.

Let me reiterate:
Regulations, both the good and the bad.
I don't want it to sound like im saying all regulations are bad, or that they don't do good things, or that they aren't there for good reasons. i'm simply saying that they are there, and they are barriers that impact the end product.


But then again, aren't the best colleges in the country private? :patrice:
Maybe the market is producing a better product.
I'm gonna need to rethink this.
The market may just be beating the state heads up right now :heh:
Of the top 10 colleges I wonder how many are private?




 
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