Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

[Ed MOTHEREFFING G]

You're not very liberal when it comes to gay people though bruh.

I don't recall discussing anything about that topic, at all, ever on the coli in serious matter.

You're welcome to ask but i'm sure you're searching for quotes as I reply.

 

[Poitier]

A basic income is the real solution but I don't want to derail the thread

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

I don't recall discussing anything about that topic, at all, ever on the coli in serious matter.

You're welcome to ask but i'm sure you're searching for quotes as I reply.

Nah I'm talking about on sohh. You were pretty gung ho against gay marriage back then, as I recall. I don't know if you've changed your opinions since then.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

and btw, LOL @ deciding if I consider myself liberal or conservative. The arrogance by some of you is heavy.

Uh, you described yourself as a moderate before. I'm just going by your words. I'm arrogant for repeating what you said about yourself? lol.

 

[Type Username Here]

Look @Ed MOTHEREFFING G is pretty liberal, I think it's important to convince people like him because when natural allies are pausing then your argument isn't persuasive. There is no reason to categorize him, or anyone else who is unconvinced or given pause by the passage of this law that as a sycophant for a class that he is not a part of. Half the time we spend more time regurgitating talking points about how brainwashed people may be than dealing with the substance of their arguments. I see people do it all the time even to guys like @Domingo Halliburton or even me. Agreeing with you ideologically and agreeing with your remedy to a problem do not necessarily go hand in hand.

We can all point out issues an inequities, but it takes much more to actual craft solutions. No one in here has really pointed out specifically how he will be wrong. All I'm seeing are people talking about historical and current inequity, but not necessarily seeking to demonstrate how a 15 dollar minimum wage is the answer. With that said, I think this will be an interesting experiment. Seattle is now the testing ground for the crux of the liberal platform and how it turns out will surely be highlighted by both parties. I personally hope it succeeds, but a minimum wage increase alone will not nearly compensate for all the other costs that lower-income people in the US have to take on that has led to their current conditions.

Why don't you just come out and mention me by name instead of the things I have said? This is brainwashed mentality and it isn't new.

The thing is you consider yourself a liberal or progressive but you are far from that. You're a moderate centrist at best. Therefore your judgment on where ED G is on the political spectrum doesn't really mean shyt my friend.

I'm sure he's socially liberal but he's hard right on economic policy. Makes him a centrist at best. Doesn't change the fact that's he's spewing Sean Hannity arguments.

 

[DEAD7]

 

[Type Username Here]

I'd prefer removing the min wage, and instituting stronger safety nets to support those below the poverty line. Similar to what is used in the Nordic countries.


in the long run, its a compromise that would be better for all parties involved.

Norway doesn't have a minimum wage but their McDonalds employees start at 16-24 dollars an hour. Because their cost of living is higher, it roughly translates to about 8-12 (still more than some of our minimum wages) when considering purchasing parity. Sounds low except when you consider that:

- Free healthcare from pregnancy to death
- Free Education with stipend at higher learning institutions. Everything paid
- Mandatory paid time off
- Paternal/Maternal paid leave
- Public Transportation that is actually funded and well kept

 

[No_bammer_weed]

and you want socialism for everyone, while the other side wants "free market" for everyone...
I think we all want the same thing, just in a different way, and should stop painting the other side as evil/wrong.

Im not sure if you're equipped to make my own arguments for me, but what I dont want are the complexities of a dynamic American economy reduced to the absolute terms and concepts the way folks like you regularly prescribe and endorse. The right has just aggressively dumbed down these convos, to where externalities as it relates to private business and relationships with the public simply dont exist or are unnecessary concerns.

This hostility towards externalities is mediated through racism and elitism...there is this undergirding idea that the poor arent deserving, and any attempt to leverage their issues, financially oriented or otherwise, against big business and the economy at large is some sort of socially engineered race to the bottom. Its an incredibly insulting way to base our conversations around, but we've slid into idiocracy with rapid speed in the past 30 years or so.....uh yeah, manny smiley.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Why don't you just come out and mention me by name instead of the things I have said? This is brainwashed mentality and it isn't new.

The thing is you consider yourself a liberal or progressive but you are far from that. You're a moderate centrist at best. Therefore your judgment on where ED G is on the political spectrum doesn't really mean shyt my friend.

I'm sure he's socially liberal but he's hard right on economic policy. Makes him a centrist at best. Doesn't change the fact that's he's spewing Sean Hannity arguments.

Nah @BarNone is liberal. You and his views aren't very different in a vacuum. You just vastly differ in terms of what you see as means to ends.

 

[The Real]

Or when they ended child labor, established mandatory overtime pay, and the 40 hour work week.

This one is my favorite. The Right argument back then was "it'll cripple the economy!" and the Right argument now is "it had already happened naturally thanks to the free market and the government was playing catch-up."

 

[No1]

Why don't you just come out and mention me by name instead of the things I have said? This is brainwashed mentality and it isn't new.

The thing is you consider yourself a liberal or progressive but you are far from that. You're a moderate centrist at best. Therefore your judgment on where ED G is on the political spectrum doesn't really mean shyt my friend.

I'm sure he's socially liberal but he's hard right on economic policy. Makes him a centrist at best. Doesn't change the fact that's he's spewing Sean Hannity arguments.

I was not talking about just you bro. I had to edit multiple posts about people taking personal swipes. That's why I said "I don't feel like doing this." But if I didn't, I'd be hypocrite. There are multiple "idiot" comments I had to remove in here. Our differences are more procedural and technical than in our objectives. You stand pretty firm in how you think things need to go, and I'm more of a "do the ends justify the means" and "what was possible in this circumstance" type of person. But it takes some audacity to tell someone else who they are especially when some of the people on this board have been posting with me since I was 15 on AHH wondering out loud what people meant when they said "the system." Let this go man, and make your case for why this will work in Seattle. You're smart enough to.

 

[DEAD7]

Does the fact that a wage increase has been tried 20+ times without solving the problem ever make proponents of wage increases question it? Or think maybe... just maybe we need to try a different approach?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Look @Ed MOTHEREFFING G is pretty liberal, I think it's important to convince people like him because when natural allies are pausing then your argument isn't persuasive. There is no reason to categorize him, or anyone else who is unconvinced or given pause by the passage of this law that as a sycophant for a class that he is not a part of. Half the time we spend more time regurgitating talking points about how brainwashed people may be than dealing with the substance of their arguments. I see people do it all the time even to guys like @Domingo Halliburton or even me. Agreeing with you ideologically and agreeing with your remedy to a problem do not necessarily go hand in hand.

We can all point out issues an inequities, but it takes much more to actual craft solutions. No one in here has really pointed out specifically how he will be wrong. All I'm seeing are people talking about historical and current inequity, but not necessarily seeking to demonstrate how a 15 dollar minimum wage is the answer. With that said, I think this will be an interesting experiment. Seattle is now the testing ground for the crux of the liberal platform and how it turns out will surely be highlighted by both parties. I personally hope it succeeds, but a minimum wage increase alone will not nearly compensate for all the other costs that lower-income people in the US have to take on that has led to their current conditions.

I find it funny that people are UNWILLING to acknowledge that SOME JOBS are not worth $15 an hour.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

A basic income is the real solution but I don't want to derail the thread

Part of me wants to reject this idea cause the country is TOO big and bigger nations need lower wages to motivate people to change/improve their way of life.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Norway doesn't have a minimum wage but their McDonalds employees start at 16-24 dollars an hour. Because their cost of living is higher, it roughly translates to about 8-12 (still more than some of our minimum wages) when considering purchasing parity. Sounds low except when you consider that:

- Free healthcare from pregnancy to death
- Free Education with stipend at higher learning institutions. Everything paid
- Mandatory paid time off
- Paternal/Maternal paid leave
- Public Transportation that is actually funded and well kept

Norway has 5 million people dude. Thats like... ONE major US city.