Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How is this an argument against trying? I'm not following it. We've already done the status quo since 1980 and keep pushing more and more to right economically. Where has it lead us, the common people? I see the wealthy are doing fine. Companies are making record profits. What about the working class and poor? Shafted.

So you're idea is to do more of the same?

Let's just be really honest here and say that lot of Social Democratic policies were implemented in the United States after 1933. The New Deal along with Government funded war production, social security, a fair worker-to-pay ratio, massive GI Bill for education and housing, high tax rates on the wealthy, regulations on banks, an economically liberal Republican party, a massive newly built (and government funded highway and airline system, investment in education at all levels, welfare and the list goes on. In that time period post 1933 the United States had unprecedented economic growth in almost every facet of society. All that really started being destroyed at a large scale in the 1980s.

And you're idea is to push more Reaganomics?

No Thanks.

None of this has anything to do with minimum wage.

You're talking about government work programs and investments...which I agree with.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Side by side comparisons of nations should always be taken with a grain of salt. There are just too many variables to draw any meaningful conclusions.
For instance you mentioned healthcare... Scandinavian countries don't have the immigration burden of the U.S.
This alone(and there is more) makes side by side comparisons of policy and cost problematic.

Not saying they(the comparisons) are "meaningless", but lets not put too much stock into them.

Alright. Let's examine this (I planned to stopped debating anything in HL and you nikkas keep pulling me back in ). The only specific you threw out as to why we couldn't have a Scandinavian style system here is the immigration burden.

Net migration | Data | Table

Net migration to the U.S. in the last 4 years is 5 million. It's a nation of 320 million. Net migration is 1.5% of total population.

Net migration to Norway in the last 4 years is 150,000. It's a nation of 5.1 million. Net migration is 2.9% of total population.

You were saying?

 

[Type Username Here]

Hmmmmm, the arguments here sure sound familiar.

 

[DEAD7]

Alright. Let's examine this (I planned to stopped debating anything in HL and you nikkas keep pulling me back in ). The only specific you threw out as to why we couldn't have a Scandinavian style system here is the immigration burden.

Net migration | Data | Table

Net migration to the U.S. in the last 4 years is 5 million. It's a nation of 320 million. Net migration is 1.5% of total population.

Net migration to Norway in the last 4 years is 150,000. It's a nation of 5.1 million. Net migration is 2.9% of total population.

You were saying?

Well Damn.
I'm just gonna have a seat.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

Well for one, no one is immigrating to Norway like they are France/UK/Germany/Italy...or even the US and Canada.

Incorrect. See my response to Dead7.

Additionally, when your population is like 80-90% of a single background, its easier for policy to get pushed through since you all share a common history and background.

You're talking about places that ARE nation-states. As in, there were KINGDOMS of Norway...and they later became "countries"...but Norwegians are like people FROM Norway and have been there for hundreds of years. Only recently has it been possible to be from Norway and not be an ethnic norwegian...as is the case for most of Europe. The US has always been a land of diversity.

That being said...when you share a common background, people don't consider the "others" as much, cause there isn't that much that separates them socially. They're all the same people and so anything thats being considered, generally will be seen as helping each other.

Its easier for them to do shyt that seems progressive cause they have fewer people to convince AND fewer concerns to consider.

Cism, xenophobia, tribalism infiltrating policy...fair enough. But that's a political hindrance. I thought we talking about it not being doable in terms of logistical implementation. If you're saying the political system is so broken that we couldn't come to one accord on it (at least now) I'd agree. But I don't see how the reasons you initially listed would be responsible for not making it possible.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Y'all arguing about what's going to happen, but the good thing is in due time, we'll all see. Everyone bookmark this thread. It still be very interesting a couple if years from now. My guess is the sky won't fall and Seattle won't turn into a Charles Buchowski poem.

I wish there was message board archives throughout history so we can see the alarmist warnings of the "pro-business community" when Teddy Rooosevelt was trust busting.

Or when they implemented the graduated income tax.

Or when they ended child labor, established mandatory overtime pay, and the 40 hour work week.

Or all the various reforms of the New Deal.

I think the juggernaut of American business we like to brag about so much can adjust to paying people a wage that adjusted for inflation, still wouldn't even be minimum wage in 1965.

I'm willing to see what happens. We can up this thread next year.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Incorrect. See my response to Dead7.


Cism, xenophobia, tribalism infiltrating policy...fair enough. But that's a political hindrance. I thought we talking about it not being doable in terms of logistical implementation. If you're saying the political system is so broken that we couldn't come to one accord on it (at least now) I'd agree. But I don't see how the reasons you initially listed would be responsible for not making it possible.

Well, honestly I don't know if its really necessary in the US either.

Its a political hindrance...AND I don't know if its a good idea to follow such policies either.

 

[DStyles]

So a high school dropout will be making $15 in Seattle meanwhile a recent college grad will be making less than half of $15 elsewhere in the other 49 states of Cacmerica

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Hmmmmm, the arguments here sure sound familiar.

Do you not realize how disingenuous this argument is?

 

[Wild self]

Hmmmmm, the arguments here sure sound familiar.

@ the ether

 

[Type Username Here]

Do you not realize how disingenuous this argument is?

Seems very valid to me. Care to explain why you think it's disingenuous?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Seems very valid to me. Care to explain why you think it's disingenuous?

What is the "labor law" being proposed here and how is that the same as any of the other of the discussed measures in the other panels of the comic?

Its a massive reach.

 

[Type Username Here]

What is the "labor law" being proposed here and how is that the same as any of the other of the discussed measures in the other panels of the comic?

Its a massive reach.

Did you just ether yourself? I think you did.

The fact that you are making the same arguments about a $15 dollar minimum wage that slave owners made against abolishing slavery should tell you a lot.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Did you just ether yourself? I think you did.

The fact that you are making the same arguments about a $15 dollar minimum wage that slave owners made against abolishing slavery should tell you a lot.

YOUR OTHER COMIC PANELS HAD SPECIFIC AIMS

This labor law is so vastly titled its hard to take it seriously.

 

[Type Username Here]

YOUR OTHER COMIC PANELS HAD SPECIFIC AIMS

This labor law is so vastly titled its hard to take it seriously.

Are you dense my friend? That's the entire point of the cartoon: to show how relatively less extreme labor laws are met with the same resistance and arguments as freeing human beings from slavery, abolishing children working, and so on.

You had people saying that preventing children from working would cripple businesses and damage the economy and you guys are in here saying the same shyt because the minimum wage went up to $15.


Some of you would have probably supported putting children in coal mines like the free-market™ decided: