The ONLY solution I see at this point is MANDATING companies to limit executive pay out or link the percentages to profit on a sliding scale.
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So?
I'm open to exploring a wide range of options, but continuing the same failed approach and expecting it to work is foolishness.
I hate the US being compared to tiny ass European nations with:
1. LESS demographic diversity (WHICH MATTERS WHEN DESIGNING PUBLIC POLICY)
2. less land
3. smaller populations
4. different foreign influences/fewer national neighbors
5. different military interests
6. Different trade influences (influences how nations orient their industries to address certain concerns)
7. different access to resources
But even you must admit that there aren't that many options outside of state mandated reform, and YOU know you don't like that so don't even play this game of ambiguity.
I'm open to exploring a wide range of options, but continuing the same failed approach and expecting it to work is foolishness.
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You listed differences. I was asking specifically how do those differences translate into America not being able to implement the things TUH listed....more mandatory paid time off, free healthcare and education, higher quality public transportation, etc. because I fail to see that. Take healthcare for starters, anybody who's seriously looked at the data knows we pay per capita the highest healthcare costs in the industrialized world and there's been tons of studies done that conclude that moving to a Scandinavian-style system would great reduce costs.
I dont like any of it, but it what it is. All I can do is advocate for measures that give the best return on investment.I really think they aren't in many cases.
Theres NO WAY a nation of 300MM can be THAT bad.
its SO easy for people to say: "Oh look! This small nation with fewer concerns managed to do this awesome thing!"
1. Mandatory time off? Not sure this will happen
2. "Free healthcare?" Its on the way and I'm in favor of cost reform.
3. Free education? Uh...well I can't speak for individual schools, but higher education is the best in the world in the world
4. transportation? Uh... most major cities HAVE this. I'll admit we need more rail, but explain this.
No offense, but you seem to thrive on making points devoid of any substance.
You're just quoting brochure talking points.
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I still haven't heard specifically why the geographic and demographic differences we have with a place like Norway would prevent or obstruct us from having a social system akin to theirs.
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How is this an argument against trying? I'm not following it. We've already done the status quo since 1980 and keep pushing more and more to right economically. Where has it lead us, the common people? I see the wealthy are doing fine. Companies are making record profits. What about the working class and poor? Shafted.
So you're idea is to do more of the same?
Let's just be really honest here and say that lot of Social Democratic policies were implemented in the United States after 1933. The New Deal along with Government funded war production, social security, a fair worker-to-pay ratio, massive GI Bill for education and housing, high tax rates on the wealthy, regulations on banks, an economically liberal Republican party, a massive newly built (and government funded highway and airline system, investment in education at all levels, welfare and the list goes on. In that time period post 1933 the United States had unprecedented economic growth in almost every facet of society. All that really started being destroyed at a large scale in the 1980s.
And you're idea is to push more Reaganomics?
No Thanks.
Side by side comparisons of nations should always be taken with a grain of salt. There are just too many variables to draw any meaningful conclusions.
For instance you mentioned healthcare... Scandinavian countries don't have the immigration burden of the U.S.
This alone(and there is more) makes side by side comparisons of policy and cost problematic.
Not saying they(the comparisons) are "meaningless", but lets not put too much stock into them.Well for one, no one is immigrating to Norway like they are France/UK/Germany/Italy...or even the US and Canada.
Additionally, when your population is like 80-90% of a single background, its easier for policy to get pushed through since you all share a common history and background.
You're talking about places that ARE nation-states. As in, there were KINGDOMS of Norway...and they later became "countries"...but Norwegians are like people FROM Norway and have been there for hundreds of years. Only recently has it been possible to be from Norway and not be an ethnic norwegian...as is the case for most of Europe. The US has always been a land of diversity.
That being said...when you share a common background, people don't consider the "others" as much, cause there isn't that much that separates them socially. They're all the same people and so anything thats being considered, generally will be seen as helping each other.
Its easier for them to do shyt that seems progressive cause they have fewer people to convince AND fewer concerns to consider.