Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

[Rekkapryde]

stop it. i'm a full grown man. worked all sorts of jobs. and what the guy said that you quoted was the truth. people go get degrees(we're not talking about doctors/lawyers/engineers/scientists we're talking people running around with a business degree, or marketing degree of some sort. most of those people do that for two reasons. #1"i aint about to be doing no back breaking work" aka "work smarter, not HARDER" #2 "i'm trying to get paid."

the #1 says it all. you grew up hearing stories about your parents/uncles, etc getting paid well perhaps or not. for doing manual labor jobs. they had back problems among other physical issues as they aged. so thats what they told you NOT to do. and you told yourself the same thing. the problem is, sure anyone can do a manual labor job WITH TRAINING. but i can say the same thing about 80% of all jobs. if the person is of AVERAGE intelligence. and they dont have a learning disability, they can do the job just as good as most college grads.

I know this because these same college grads dont do a great job at what they do and get paid well for now. they are just riding off the fact that the piece of paper says i spent a lot of money to be paid a lot of money. so ..pay me. why do you think these people have so many meetings all the time? you never have to meet THAT Much to say the same thing you've said 100 times. but thats to LOOK busy and also for those who have degrees that for whatever reason didnt get what was said at the previous 3 meetings. FUll grown men and women half listening at these meetings all the time. I know this for a fact.

So now.. you have a small business. and you have 2 or 3 or 4 employees you are paying $10 too. and lets say thats below the poverty level. that means thatif you cant afford to pay them more. you need to cut head count. and thats ok. it means you cant grow your business YET. it means the moment you THOUGHT you could grow your business was actually a bit to soon.

you dont have the income to pull that off. this happens a lot. people try to hurry up and grow their business on the backs of cheap labor. what you are doing is what slave owners did. no its not that bad. but its the same principal. its the same principal as big corps that send jobs overseas knowing these places are sweat shops(you saw that building collapse in india, the other one that caught fire, etc, the folks in china jumping from the building to kill themselves in protest of their situation).

basically these companies do whatever they can to keep growing at a rapid pace to make their stocks look good. to do that you have to cut corners. and that means paying people below the poverty line. so business has a thing called business ETHICS. ethical behavior is the key point. business is not just there to make money. its there to be a part of the whole. the whole being the community. the only reason you can run YOUR business is because the community allows you to. do to their taxes, laws they have voted for, etc. this is something owners dont want to talk about.

you do realize the only reason bandits dont just come in and steal all of your stuff every day is because you have security called the police. well you're not the only person paying for them. the local community does also. so that means you have to give back. and 10 bucks isnt enough if thats below poverty.

you say but but, that means i have to lay someone off or two. FINE. but if everyone does this right. it means you wont have room to grow your business like you thought. this also means someone else will create a similar business and fill the excess need you cant fill. and guess what they will do? Hire a couple of people. well there goes those 2 you had to let go. they are working for someone else. if we pay people the proper wage and you grow your business properly(not on the backs of below poverty level wages, or low balling employees). we will find out where each business really is in their growth process. which will tell other soon to be business owners what products do the people need/want that currently cant be fulfilled with the current crop of large and small businesses.

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[GetInTheTruck]

That's gonna happen regardless. What people don't understand is that if someone at McDonalds is making 15 an hour, the odds of them doing some dumb shyt to lose that job reduces. That means they will be more productive and provided a higher quality of service. the higher quality of service the more likely people will go to that McDonalds which increases revenue.

Companies are barely hiring as it is so why not take care of the workers you have.

Lol what. The average fast food worker is either young or not very bright. Let's just be honest here.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

I am watching my pockets. That's the thing. My pocket and the pocket of the working class is being robbed by those above me. This is undeniable at this point. Various studies, statistics and research have shown this to be true. You only need to look around.

I look around and I see a lot of fukked up shyt. You can give people 15 an hour to do menial work if you want to, but don't complain when hours get cut and that dude from the hood with no car is gonna get passed up for Becky from the burbs who has a car and will never be late for work. Because if I'm an employer who's being forced to cough up 50% more in wages, you best believe I'm taking all that into consideration.

 

[Type Username Here]

I look around and I see a lot of fukked up shyt. You can give people 15 an hour to do menial work if you want to, but don't complain when hours get cut and that dude from the hood with no car is gonna get passed up for Becky from the burbs who has a car and will never be late for work. Because if I'm an employer who's being forced to cough up 50% more in wages, you best believe I'm taking all that into consideration.

Almost every argument you have made in here has underlying racial tones. Why is that?

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Almost every argument you have made in here has underlying racial tones. Why is that?

How? This is reality breh. I've never flipped burgers but I've worked minimum wage jobs with people of all races. People late all the time, complain about everything, refuse to put in any kind of extra effort, take sick days just because.... look if I'm an employer I'm just not going to want to give people like this a 50% raise....if anything I'm gonna axe everybody and hire a crew that I can count on more.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Weed, wages, a black QB and a Super Bowl title. Things lookin good in Seattle.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

the ether of a young nikka leavin his interview at McDonalds with the only to see a nikka walkin in with a master's degree wearin in a business suit snatchin that job away from him


shyt is gonna be demonic out there

This is what I'm talking about when I mention dudes from the hood getting passed up for Becky with the car... these employers are gonna be selective as fukk. It's racial because it's reality. These liberals who push for shyt like this don't give a fukk about struggling minorities they are just playing politics.

 

[Poitier]

I don't care what CEO's eat or what they spend their money on. The same people who rail against fat cat CEO's have no problem with athletes making millions of dollars a year...probably because most athletes are black and come from poor communities. Hypocrisy. I have a problem with neither.

Athletes GENERATE millions upon millions via tv contracts, ticket sales, apparel, videogames, etc

I'll wait for you to provide empirical proof that a CEO is solely responsible for generating millions

 

[GetInTheTruck]

Athletes GENERATE millions upon millions via tv contracts, ticket sales, apparel, videogames, etc

I'll wait for you to provide empirical proof that a CEO is solely responsible for generating millions

Qualification is a real thing. Would you let the dude working at 7-11 manage your wealth or an experienced financial advisor?

If you started a successful business that turned into a billion dollar entity are you handing the reigns over to just anybody?

 

[Type Username Here]

I used to work in fast food when I was younger. The older people who worked there weren't stupid, criminals or low lifes. They were mostly hard working people who wanted to support themselves and their families.

You know who was stupid? The son of the franchise owner who was tasked to work there the summer. For a menial and low skill job, this person couldn't do it properly. A grown man too who went to college and had the easy life. His reward in life was not being qualified to be the owner but simply being the grandson of a man who owned franchises and passed it down to his father who will in turn pass it down to him. The owners and execs of these companies mainly are fortunate by birth or they are in the right social circles. It's more connections than qualifications. It's more about family name than qualifications.

Hell, we had a President who was a drug addict, drove drunk, a below average student in a University he would have never got into it without his family name, a failure in business, a failure in managing a sports team, and a failure at politics. Not qualified to do anything but he had the right family, money and connections so he became the President. The top level execs and owners in America are sutured with people like that.

The game is rigged.

 

[Poitier]

Qualification is a real thing. Would you let the dude working at 7-11 manage your wealth or an experienced financial advisor?

If you started a successful business that turned into a billion dollar entity are you handing the reigns over to just anybody?

There is no qualification in the world that can deem any person making 20x that of their average employee. These people are plutocrats, not superhumans

 

[Slystallion]

That's a lot...I did'nt even make $15/hr out of college

Then again I was temping and it was smack dab in the middle of a recession

damn what kind of shytty major after college was it that you got such a struggle wage ...i'm guessing it wasn't a job from your major but just something you took because your industry wasn't hiring people with no experience because of the recession

 

[tmonster]

I look forward to the results of this raise.

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I look forward to confounding the results of this raise.

:yasure:

 

[Type Username Here]

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:yasure:

"I look forward to Corporations and Big Business actively sabotaging and undermining this wage raise so I can come in here and talk about the free market in the most naive manner possible. "

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

So for people who support this. . . who are you? Are you someone who dreams of a utopia, but has never worked with someone who truly deserves the minimum wage for their level of ability? Are you someone with that low level of ability who embraces the American entitlement dream where your meager ability merits more money? Are you someone who only associates business with major corporations and because you see the CEO of Wal-mart making crazy money, you assume small businesses can afford to nearly double the hourly wage for employees with only the most basic of abilities?

I own a business with four full-time employees, who I pay $10 an hour to do low-level tasks and they even struggle with those low-level tasks. If I was forced to pay those guys $15 an hour, those four people would be out of a job and I would call it a day on the business.

100% on point