Seattle agrees to raise minimum wage to $15

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People worry about what the next man got because it impacts the rest of us what they got.

Crab mentality is people like you, Napoleon and others in the working class catching grenades for people who would be happy to make you a modern day serf.

Throwing shade at minimum wage workers while exalting top level execs as Gods. That's the definition of crab mentality.

Na it don't impact me, sorry man. You can watch other peoples pockets if you want. I'd rather watch mine.

I'm not throwing shade at minimum wage workers, I'm just not going to over-value what they do. I don't over-value what I do either, to be quite honest.
 

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So for people who support this. . . who are you? Are you someone who dreams of a utopia, but has never worked with someone who truly deserves the minimum wage for their level of ability? Are you someone with that low level of ability who embraces the American entitlement dream where your meager ability merits more money? Are you someone who only associates business with major corporations and because you see the CEO of Wal-mart making crazy money, you assume small businesses can afford to nearly double the hourly wage for employees with only the most basic of abilities?

I own a business with four full-time employees, who I pay $10 an hour to do low-level tasks and they even struggle with those low-level tasks. If I was forced to pay those guys $15 an hour, those four people would be out of a job and I would call it a day on the business.

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So you are the only one adding value to the company?

Are your revenues going to remain stagnant?

Such a lame fukking excuse. If there job is so menial why pay them at all?
 

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Na it don't impact me, sorry man. You can watch other peoples pockets if you want. I'd rather watch mine.

I'm not throwing shade at minimum wage workers, I'm just not going to over-value what they do. I don't over-value what I do either, to be quite honest.


I am watching my pockets. That's the thing. My pocket and the pocket of the working class is being robbed by those above me. This is undeniable at this point. Various studies, statistics and research have shown this to be true. You only need to look around.
 

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So you are the only one adding value to the company?

Are your revenues going to remain stagnant?

Such a lame fukking excuse. If there job is so menial why pay them at all?

So many dumb fukking questions in here from people clearly without a clue about running a business. Let's see if I can give you some obvious answers.

Yes. They add value. $10 an hour worth of value.

No. Revenues won't remain stagnant. They will grow. As will my need to add labor.

I pay them because I can't do what 4 people do and I'm against slavery, but also against socialism.
 

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So for people who support this. . . who are you? Are you someone who dreams of a utopia, but has never worked with someone who truly deserves the minimum wage for their level of ability? Are you someone with that low level of ability who embraces the American entitlement dream where your meager ability merits more money? Are you someone who only associates business with major corporations and because you see the CEO of Wal-mart making crazy money, you assume small businesses can afford to nearly double the hourly wage for employees with only the most basic of abilities?

I own a business with four full-time employees, who I pay $10 an hour to do low-level tasks and they even struggle with those low-level tasks. If I was forced to pay those guys $15 an hour, those four people would be out of a job and I would call it a day on the business.

:shaq2:

That's why I said the huge companies and corporations. They definitely can pay the higher wages.

I believe small business owners should be exempt or have to pay lower than the 15.
 

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I pay them because I can't do what 4 people do and I'm against slavery

You pay them because slavery is outlawed. I have no doubt in my mind that if slavery was legal, you'd be the first one at the auction waiting to bid.

It's why unpaid internships are at an all time high. Get someone to work for free.
 

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They get mad because they're earning maybe 20/hr in their career field.

They think to themselves....."I went to college. Why should this lazy bum make close to what I make and he didn't put it the same effort?"

They're asking themselves the wrong question
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Ding Ding Ding. Repped.
 

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That's gonna happen regardless. What people don't understand is that if someone at McDonalds is making 15 an hour, the odds of them doing some dumb shyt to lose that job reduces. That means they will be more productive and provided a higher quality of service. the higher quality of service the more likely people will go to that McDonalds which increases revenue.


Companies are barely hiring as it is so why not take care of the workers you have.

Some of yall get it..... :salute:
 

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I believe small business owners should be exempt or have to pay lower than the 15.
ive said this before but i wish there was some way we could force these national companies that generate a certain amount of revenue, to pay more

honestly it doesnt make sense to put a small biz and fukkin walmart to the same standard
 

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This is all that needs to be shown when discussing this subject.

America was still the richest country prior to 1980. Business still thrived. Top Level people still made more than the people at the bottom. The country did just fine.

Stop believing in myths.
 

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This is just silly. My guess is, while you say you're an adult, you're probably between 18 to 23. You don't strike me as someone with any real life experience.

I employ one person who was homeless prior to asking for a job and now has a roof over his head. Thank you for informing me that my several dollars above the federal minimum wage isn't enough, friend. I employ another person who couldn't find a job anywhere else because of a non-violent felony a decade ago. I guess I should call it a day, however, since the infancy of my business cannot sustain an extra $40,000 in expenses for the year. You're also right that I don't deserve the money I make. Should I cap my earnings, since all of my employees could be easily replaced, while none of them could do what I do? Is there a maximum allowable amount I should make as a small business owner that thinks I have a "god given right to be banking money like a CEO"? (Hint... typically, if you own a small business, you're the CEO)



I buy truckloads of liquidated retail items for resale, auction off business assets, and do estate sales.
stop it. i'm a full grown man. worked all sorts of jobs. and what the guy said that you quoted was the truth. people go get degrees(we're not talking about doctors/lawyers/engineers/scientists we're talking people running around with a business degree, or marketing degree of some sort. most of those people do that for two reasons. #1"i aint about to be doing no back breaking work" aka "work smarter, not HARDER" #2 "i'm trying to get paid."

the #1 says it all. you grew up hearing stories about your parents/uncles, etc getting paid well perhaps or not. for doing manual labor jobs. they had back problems among other physical issues as they aged. so thats what they told you NOT to do. and you told yourself the same thing. the problem is, sure anyone can do a manual labor job WITH TRAINING. but i can say the same thing about 80% of all jobs. if the person is of AVERAGE intelligence. and they dont have a learning disability, they can do the job just as good as most college grads.

I know this because these same college grads dont do a great job at what they do and get paid well for now. they are just riding off the fact that the piece of paper says i spent a lot of money to be paid a lot of money. so ..pay me. why do you think these people have so many meetings all the time? you never have to meet THAT Much to say the same thing you've said 100 times. but thats to LOOK busy and also for those who have degrees that for whatever reason didnt get what was said at the previous 3 meetings. FUll grown men and women half listening at these meetings all the time. I know this for a fact.

So now.. you have a small business. and you have 2 or 3 or 4 employees you are paying $10 too. and lets say thats below the poverty level. that means thatif you cant afford to pay them more. you need to cut head count. and thats ok. it means you cant grow your business YET. it means the moment you THOUGHT you could grow your business was actually a bit to soon.

you dont have the income to pull that off. this happens a lot. people try to hurry up and grow their business on the backs of cheap labor. what you are doing is what slave owners did. no its not that bad. but its the same principal. its the same principal as big corps that send jobs overseas knowing these places are sweat shops(you saw that building collapse in india, the other one that caught fire, etc, the folks in china jumping from the building to kill themselves in protest of their situation).

basically these companies do whatever they can to keep growing at a rapid pace to make their stocks look good. to do that you have to cut corners. and that means paying people below the poverty line. so business has a thing called business ETHICS. ethical behavior is the key point. business is not just there to make money. its there to be a part of the whole. the whole being the community. the only reason you can run YOUR business is because the community allows you to. do to their taxes, laws they have voted for, etc. this is something owners dont want to talk about.

you do realize the only reason bandits dont just come in and steal all of your stuff every day is because you have security called the police. well you're not the only person paying for them. the local community does also. so that means you have to give back. and 10 bucks isnt enough if thats below poverty.

you say but but, that means i have to lay someone off or two. FINE. but if everyone does this right. it means you wont have room to grow your business like you thought. this also means someone else will create a similar business and fill the excess need you cant fill. and guess what they will do? Hire a couple of people. well there goes those 2 you had to let go. they are working for someone else. if we pay people the proper wage and you grow your business properly(not on the backs of below poverty level wages, or low balling employees). we will find out where each business really is in their growth process. which will tell other soon to be business owners what products do the people need/want that currently cant be fulfilled with the current crop of large and small businesses.
 

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ive said this before but i wish there was some way we could force these national companies that generate a certain amount of revenue, to pay more

honestly it doesnt make sense to put a small biz and fukkin walmart to the same standard

True, or at least give them more time.

We can't pick and choose the times we want the "free market" to handle the situation. Others will rise when things fall right?
 

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the people that act like they are somehow better or more deserving (college education, "hard work", etc.) of certain pay scale than someone they feel is "under" them is exactly why America will continue to be divided and collapse.
It don't bother me when someone makes a little extra
what bothers me is when that someone
-Makes ###x what their employee makes and
-has employees who are suffering in debt just to make basic ends meets
-uses the employees tax dollars for "free"
-hides billions in assets and taxes overseas (many will argue that the ceo giving up their salary will not help, how about they give up their company's tax haven billions?)
 
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