Scientists calculate that the Earth may be the only planet in the entire galaxy capable of supporting advanced life

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What makes this flawed, is the assumption that we're considered the baseline for advanced life.

Considering there is so much of our own planet we have yet to explore or can explain - how could we reasonably have faith in these "calculations"?


Astrobiologists have spent decades considering all the possibilities. Trust me, there are hundreds of them from all sorts of backgrounds and they've spent a lot more time considering the MANY out-of-the-box possibilities than any of us have. They don't just consider us the baseline, but they spend a lot of time considering every possible scenario that would spur biological complexity and technological society to develop.

That does not mean they're omniscient. But it's silly to just dismiss the concepts they've worked through if we ourselves haven't engaged in the same depth of research.

And the fact that after decades of looking, we still haven't seen the slightest signal or sign of intelligent life coming from any visible star does suggest that the conditions under which life can develop must be remarkably rare.
 

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Most of us know this, these replies are moreso to your opening dismissing folks for saying there must be something else out there. We all know the improbability of at least us, ever both finding and traveling to those other planets


I thought I made clear in the title that I was referring to our galaxy, not the entire universe.
 

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We’ve already had visitors though
Who visited you?
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I would say that that's extremely unlikely, and this is something that I've been interested in and seriously researched for a long time.

I have yet to see any evidence that would make me think it is "likely" that we have ever had an extraterrestrial visitor to this planet.
there’s more evidence of extraterrestrial visitation than there is of the Judeo-Christian God yet you believe in him but dismiss Aliens and UFOs. Interesting.
 

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there’s more evidence of extraterrestrial visitation than there is of the Judeo-Christian God yet you believe in him but dismiss Aliens and UFOs. Interesting.


This is a thread about serious science. Ignoring the science to copy-paste tired burn lines off of the internet is goofy. What is this "evidence" that we've had visitors from other stars? Don't do a gish gallop or another silly insult, just post your top 3 strongest evidences.
 
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This is all hinged on the premise that our knowledge/understanding of technology and what is possible in terms of space travel is the peak and that’s gotten us into trouble before in other ways.

Looking at how ancient civilizations no where close to each other (in time or location) have similar structures, art, etc I’ll just say that’s a hell of a coincidence at minimum :hubie:
 

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This is a thread about serious science. Ignoring the science to copy-paste tired burn lines off of the internet is goofy. What is this "evidence" that we've had visitors from other stars? Don't do a gish gallop or another silly insult, just post your top 3 strongest evidences.
It’s actually relevant because definitionally angels, demons and the devil are extraterrestrial visitors but you believe in them.

My top 3 is Bob Lazar, military reports of ufos deactivating nuclear weapons and the phoenix lights.
 

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My top 3 is Bob Lazar

Breh, did you seriously just claim that Bob Lazar was your best extraterrestrial evidence? :dead:

He is one PROVEN conman who told a bunch of stories with zero supporting evidence, then got caught making everything up.




Lazar claims to have advanced degrees from MIT and Caltech. In reality, he was a terrible student in high school who attended a junior college for a while but left without a degree.

He lied about attending MIT

He lied about attending Caltech

He lied about having a physics degree

He lied about understanding physics at any advanced level at all (when he talks about the field he spits total nonsense and multiple physicists have torn him apart)

He lied about building a rocket car from scratch

He lied about working as a physicist


Here's a copy-paste summarising the evidence against him there:

r/ufou/SignalsIntelligence • Jun 14 '21

Believing Bob Lazar - Part One - Educational Background​



August 1976 - Graduates High School, where he was a poor student

According to Stanton Friedman, RL graduated from W. Tresper Clarke High School in Westbury Long Island, New York. His class standing was number 261 out of a class of 369. Further, according to Friedman, this would put RL in the bottom third of his class and entry into Cal Tech or MIT generally requires the student be in the top 10% of the class.


1976: Attended Los Angeles Pierce College, a low-end junior college which was not the place future MIT/Caltech grad students go:

This has been confirmed by Stanton Friedman. After RL stated that one of his professors at Cal Tech was named “Duxler”, Friedman located a William Duxler, a Math and Physics professor at Pierce College, who was able to determine that RL had taken at least one of his courses in the late 1970’s. Duxler said he never taught at Cal Tech.

For those who are curious, here is the video of Lazar claiming that he had a professor Duxler at Cal Tech, and a professor Hohsfield at MIT. There is no Hohsfield at MIT, but there was one at Lazar’s high school that was a Technical and Vocational teacher there teaching electronics.



A commenter from Quora on experience of being a graduate student at MIT:

When you attend a university as a graduate student, you leave many artifacts of your time there. You have an office. Someone from your department has to assign you that office. In his capacity, he would have worked in a lab, on many nights slept in that lab, like one of my roommates did who was a postdoc at MIT. You have cohort-mates. You have a dean. You have a thesis or dissertation advisor. You have mentors. You have a student ID. You use the library, and get to know librarians and security guards. You teach—depending on the institution on your own or under a professor as a TA—so you have students. You might play intramural sports or join other clubs. You have friends. I can go on.
Then there's research and publishing. He would have co-written academic papers. I think all of this is magnified at a place like MIT. These places attract the best lecturers and professors. And students, which Lazar was not. Your memories are very bright because the experiences are unforgettable. MIT labs are interesting places, with cutting edge research and development. Lazar would have rubbed elbows with a lot of very well known people.

1978 - Degree from Pacifica University, an online university selling degrees

Lazar claims a Bachelor of Science degree in Physics and Electronic Technology, from Pacifica University (correspondence university), according to RL’s Pre-Sentence Report for his pandering conviction (Case 94922). Pacifica was shut down in 1978 by the State of California for selling degrees.

“1977 or 78” - Claimed to attend Cal State Northridge but obviously didn't graduate

Claims to have attended Cal State University, Northridge, “for a short time for some classes”, then on to CalTech. (14)

July 27, 1980 - Marries Carol Strong:

RL married Carol Nadine Strong in Woodland Hills, California.
The certificate list’s RL’s occupation as “Electronics Engineer” and his highest school grade completed as 12.

1982 - Falsely claimed to graduate with Masters Degree from Cal Tech

At the Millikan Library at CalTech, every page of every issue of “The Big T” from the year 1977 through 1982 was checked. There is no photo or mention of RL anywhere in any of the activities, highly improbable were he a student there. Checking by George Knapp (1) and Stanton Friedman with the administration revealed no records of RL’s attendance.

1985 - Falsely claimed to graduate with Masters Degree from MIT.

Glenn Campbell checked the following sources at the Institute Archives at MIT (See reference 14): Student directories between 1978 and 1990, Faculty/Staff phone directories between 1978 and 1990, MIT Degree List between 1979 and 1980, and the 1989 MIT Alumni/ae Register. There was no listing of RL in any of these documents. (16) Stanton Friedman has also checked with the MIT Registrar’s office and the Alumni office and has found no evidence of attendance. Friedman reports RL is not on the 1982 commencement list.

Friedman adds this:

The notion that the government wiped his CIVILIAN records clean is absurd. I checked with the Legal Counsel at MIT — no way to wipe all his records clean. The Physics department never heard of him and he is not a member of the American Physical Society.

This constitutes all of Bob’s claimed educational background. No classmates, students, professors, or anyone else associated with MIT or CalTech have come forward to say they knew or studied with Lazar. Lazar has never been able to name a single professor, student, or anyone else associated with these universities who might know him. On the one occasion that he did - linked above - the names that he gave were teachers at his High School and Pierce College.


George Knapp on Lazar’s education claims:

The information about his educational background was in the very first story that aired… I will confide to you this, I don’t believe he went to those schools. I don’t believe Bob Lazar could get a degree from CalTech or MIT for a very simple reason. At American Universities, when you get an undergraduate degree, you have to take all kinds of core courses in subjects that you may not be interested in. Literature, I can’t possibly imagine Bob Lazar sitting through a class in American Lit or reading poetry or something like that. He’d never stand for it. There is no way in hell that he sat through that stuff to get a degree… (Source)

Knapp is clearly a big supporter of Lazar, extremely good friends with him, literally wrote the forward in Lazar’s book, believes all of the claims about working at S4, and did his own research and reporting on his education - and he does not believe he actually went to MIT or CalTech.[/spoiler]




Of course, he didn't just lie about his educational background or knowledge of physics - he's a lifelong conman who lied about his work history, has pulled one scam after another, defrauded numerous people, declared bankruptcy at the exact same time he now claims he was the government's preeminent alien tech researcher, was convicted of running a brothel at the same time he claims he was working as a physicist, and has even been involved in multiple suspicious deaths:






Your best evidence of UFOs is a literal conman telling goofy stories. :russ:
 

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military reports of ufos deactivating nuclear weapons

Again, you're literally talking about people telling stories with zero supporting evidence. Most of the claims of that happening are third-hand and are largely based off the fact that nukes went off-line all the time (at any given moment, 30-40% of nuclear missiles were not working). How would this even be proof of extraterrestrials - how do you know the beings "deactivating nuclear weapons" weren't time-travelers, angels, demons, or whatever?





and the phoenix lights.


The best evidence you have of aliens is flares being dropped on a military base.

Again, a quick copy-paste:



According to Sheaffer, what became known as "the Phoenix Lights" incident of 1997 "consists of two unrelated incidents, although both were the result of activities of the same organization: Operation Snowbird, a pilot training program operated in the winter by the Air National Guard, out of Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona."[9] Tucson astronomer and retired Air Force pilot James McGaha said he also investigated the two separate sightings and traced them both to A-10 Thunderbolt II aircraft flying in formation at high altitude.[10]

The first incident, often perceived as a large “flying triangle” by witnesses, began at approximately 8:00 pm, and was due to five A-10 jets from Operation Snowbird following an assigned air traffic corridor and flying under visual flight rules. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) rules concerning private and commercial aircraft do not apply to military aircraft, so the A-10 formation displayed steady formation lights rather than blinking collision lights. The formation flew over Phoenix and on to Tucson, landing at Davis-Monthan AFB about 8:45 pm.[9]

The second incident, described as "a row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky, or slowly fallings" began at approximately 10:00 pm, and was due to a flare drop exercise by different A-10 jets from the Maryland Air National Guard, also operating out of Davis-Monthan AFB as part of from Operation Snowbird.[9] The U.S. Air Force explained the exercise as utilizing slow-falling, long-burning LUU-2B/B illumination flares dropped by a flight of four A-10 aircraft on a training exercise at the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range in western Pima County, Arizona. The flares would have been visible in Phoenix and appeared to hover due to rising heat from the burning flares creating a "balloon" effect on their parachutes, which slowed the descent.[11] The lights then appeared to wink out as they fell behind the Sierra Estrella mountain range to the southwest of Phoenix.

A Maryland ANG pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, responding to a March 2007 media query, confirmed that he had flown one of the aircraft in the formation that dropped flares on the night in question.[11] The squadron to which he belonged was at Davis-Monthan AFB on a training exercise at the time, and flew training sorties to the Goldwater Air Force Range on the night in question, according to the Maryland ANG. A history of the Maryland ANG published in 2000 asserted that the squadron, the 104th Fighter Squadron, was responsible for the incident.[12] The first reports that members of the Maryland ANG were responsible for the incident were published in The Arizona Republic in July 1997.[13]

Later comparisons with known military flare drops were reported on local television stations, showing similarities between the known military flare drops and the Phoenix Lights.[5] An analysis of the luminosity of LUU-2B/B illumination flares, the type which would have been in use by A-10 aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity of such flares at a range of approximately 50–70 miles (80–113 km) would fall well within the range of the lights viewed from Phoenix.[14]

During the Phoenix event, numerous still photographs and videotapes were made showing a series of lights appearing at a regular interval, remaining illuminated for several moments, and then going out. The images were later determined to be the result of mountains not visible by night that partially obstructed the view of aircraft flares from certain angles to create the illusion of an arc of lights appearing and disappearing one by one.[15][14]




That's the best evidence for extraterrestrials that you know. :stopitslime:
 

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That’s quite the claim to make. Because the Milky Way alone is mind blowing big.

How big you ask? Look at the insane scale of the galaxy. :damn: :damn: :damn:

 

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Again, you're literally talking about people telling stories with zero supporting evidence. Most of the claims of that happening are third-hand and are largely based off the fact that nukes went off-line all the time (at any given moment, 30-40% of nuclear missiles were not working). How would this even be proof of extraterrestrials - how do you know the beings "deactivating nuclear weapons" weren't time-travelers, angels, demons, or whatever?








The best evidence you have of aliens is flares being dropped on a military base.

Again, a quick copy-paste:



According to Sheaffer, what became known as "the Phoenix Lights" incident of 1997 "consists of two unrelated incidents, although both were the result of activities of the same organization: Operation Snowbird, a pilot training program operated in the winter by the Air National Guard, out of Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona."[9] Tucson astronomer and retired Air Force pilot James McGaha said he also investigated the two separate sightings and traced them both to A-10 Thunderbolt II aircraft flying in formation at high altitude.[10]

The first incident, often perceived as a large “flying triangle” by witnesses, began at approximately 8:00 pm, and was due to five A-10 jets from Operation Snowbird following an assigned air traffic corridor and flying under visual flight rules. Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) rules concerning private and commercial aircraft do not apply to military aircraft, so the A-10 formation displayed steady formation lights rather than blinking collision lights. The formation flew over Phoenix and on to Tucson, landing at Davis-Monthan AFB about 8:45 pm.[9]

The second incident, described as "a row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky, or slowly fallings" began at approximately 10:00 pm, and was due to a flare drop exercise by different A-10 jets from the Maryland Air National Guard, also operating out of Davis-Monthan AFB as part of from Operation Snowbird.[9] The U.S. Air Force explained the exercise as utilizing slow-falling, long-burning LUU-2B/B illumination flares dropped by a flight of four A-10 aircraft on a training exercise at the Barry M. Goldwater Air Force Range in western Pima County, Arizona. The flares would have been visible in Phoenix and appeared to hover due to rising heat from the burning flares creating a "balloon" effect on their parachutes, which slowed the descent.[11] The lights then appeared to wink out as they fell behind the Sierra Estrella mountain range to the southwest of Phoenix.

A Maryland ANG pilot, Lt. Col. Ed Jones, responding to a March 2007 media query, confirmed that he had flown one of the aircraft in the formation that dropped flares on the night in question.[11] The squadron to which he belonged was at Davis-Monthan AFB on a training exercise at the time, and flew training sorties to the Goldwater Air Force Range on the night in question, according to the Maryland ANG. A history of the Maryland ANG published in 2000 asserted that the squadron, the 104th Fighter Squadron, was responsible for the incident.[12] The first reports that members of the Maryland ANG were responsible for the incident were published in The Arizona Republic in July 1997.[13]

Later comparisons with known military flare drops were reported on local television stations, showing similarities between the known military flare drops and the Phoenix Lights.[5] An analysis of the luminosity of LUU-2B/B illumination flares, the type which would have been in use by A-10 aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity of such flares at a range of approximately 50–70 miles (80–113 km) would fall well within the range of the lights viewed from Phoenix.[14]

During the Phoenix event, numerous still photographs and videotapes were made showing a series of lights appearing at a regular interval, remaining illuminated for several moments, and then going out. The images were later determined to be the result of mountains not visible by night that partially obstructed the view of aircraft flares from certain angles to create the illusion of an arc of lights appearing and disappearing one by one.[15][14]




That's the best evidence for extraterrestrials that you know. :stopitslime:
If you’re going to discount credible eyewitness testimony then nothing short of aliens landing on the White House lawn will satisfy you.

Thousands of people in Arizona believe they saw a huge ufo during the phoenix lights including the former Arizona governor who is ex Air Force. He wouldn’t confuse a ufo with flares or a conventional military jet formation. He claimed the object was the size of an aircraft carrier in the sky.
 
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