School Principal: Authoritarian Parenting Partly Responsible for Black/White Achievement Gap

[kermit da hustla]

You're an idiot. The quote is still relevant today. A Black kid from wealth is still going to be surrounded by White kids, White professors, white cultural/social norms at a White institution. Furthermore, a White professor is more likely to go out of their way and empathize, help a White student than they are some negro. International kids don't have that problem because they come from a homogenous environment and when they attend university that rigidity is already set.

i'm not an idiot. i'm just speaking real talk. you're an overly emotional and highly naive individual who's making excuses for black failure. put a black kid in a two parent home that stresses education and prevents him/her from being influenced by the toxic culture of black america, and you will - assuming there is nothing cognitively wrong with the child - have a child who achieves academic success. black people want to act like their culture isn't toxic. i'm not one to play that game and pretend that there isn't something critically wrong with how we raise our children.

 

[Poitier]

i'm not an idiot. i'm just speaking real talk. you're an overly emotional and highly naive individual who's making excuses for black failure. put a black kid in a two parent home that stresses education and prevents that him/her from being influenced by the toxic culture of black america, and you will - assuming there is nothing cognitively wrong with the child - have a child who achieves academic success. black people want to act like their culture isn't toxic. i'm not one to play that game and pretend that there isn't some critically wrong with how we raise our children.

This is false and I'm starting to believe that you're a st0rmfr0nt poster. Students learn better from educators who look like them. It's that simple. Has nothing to do with culture because there are TONS of morally depleted White kids who achieve at an academic level. American culture in general is toxic. You'd have to think Blacks are inherently ghetto, ignorant, evil monkeys to buy the narrative you're trying to sell.

 

[kermit da hustla]

This is false and I'm starting to believe that you're a st0rmfr0nt poster. Students learn better from educators who look like them. It's that simple. Has nothing to do with culture because there are TONS of morally depleted White kids who achieve at an academic level. American culture in general is toxic. You'd have to think Blacks are inherently ghetto, ignorant, evil monkeys to buy the narrative you're trying to sell.

plenty of black educators in the inner cities, and the black kids are still failures. you're full of shyt. BLACK culture is toxic. we're not talking about american culture. we're talking about what black people in america value. we're talking about why black immigrants fare significantly better than black americans born here. we're talking about why black africans come here and go at black americans. we're talking about why black kids born to fatherless homes and mothers who don't stress education are failures at life. keep making excuses, breh.

 

[Poitier]

plenty of black educators in the inner cities, and the black kids are still failures. you're full of shyt. BLACK culture is toxic. we're not talking about american culture. we're talking about what black people in america value. we're talking about why black immigrants fare significantly better than black americans born here. we're talking about why black africans come here and go at black americans. we're talking about why black kids born to fatherless homes and mothers who don't stress education are failures at life. keep making excuses, breh.

Good god. Keep talking. You didn't read anything I wrote you fukking retard.

 

[Rawtid]

That's literally an infinitesimal part of the equation. You can't control what happens outside of the home's surrounding environment and at the school, both of which are dependent on money and resources.

Even if every black child had money and the fanciest school and the best resources, if they don't value learning, nothing is going to change. Now I will say that black children need "black" schools...schools that have a curriculum best suited for African American learners and teachers that look like them as well. I do think that will create confidence in a lot of our students BUT they still have to value learning and that comes from home and can be developed no matter the circumstance.

 

[Poitier]

Even if every black child had money and the fanciest school and the best resources, if they don't value learning, nothing is going to change. Now I will say that black children need "black" schools...schools that have a curriculum best suited for African American learners and teachers that look like them as well. I do think that will create confidence in a lot of our students BUT they still have to value learning and that comes from home and can be developed no matter the circumstance.

I don't disagree. I just think resources/money/environment come before parenting style on the chain of command. People that put the parenting style first come off mad racist to me because it put's it squarely on the race/individual but the factors I listed shape the parenting style

 

[BLAZO da GAWD]

asian parents are only hard on their kids when it comes to school. outside of the school they spoil the fukk out of their children.

black parents rule with a hard fist and give their kids nothing.

nikka be glad to even get money to go to the mall and buy clothes over the summer. moms talkin about whats wrong with the clothes from last year. asian kid gets handed a credit card.

Speak for yourself. My black parents weren't like that.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Speak for yourself. My black parents weren't like that.

mine weren't either, I got a car at 16, but I'm not blind to the fact that if you live in a poor area, chances are you aren't getting nice things. and if you are, perhaps they should be using that money to get out the hood.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You're an idiot. The quote is still relevant today. A Black kid from wealth is still going to be surrounded by White kids, White professors, white cultural/social norms at a White institution. Furthermore, a White professor is more likely to go out of their way and empathize, help a White student than they are some negro. International kids don't have that problem because they come from a homogenous environment and when they attend university that rigidity is already set.

You really must not wanna LEARN today, huh?

No one is discounting these factors...but because they are FACTORS that means there might be OTHER FACTORS

Culture matters and the parent/student dynamic definitely helps.

I went to a school that had black students that ran the socioeconomic gamut.

What this professor says, holds weight.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

That's literally an infinitesimal part of the equation. You can't control what happens outside of the home's surrounding environment and at the school, both of which are dependent on money and resources.

Nope.

How you raise your kids has everything to do with it.

Case in point. I can name like AT LEAST 10 people I KNOW who grew up with money AND were black but the influences of culture and how their parents interacted with them affected their own ability to succeed.

CULTURE

MATTERS.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

You'd need to do a longitudinal study and she didn't do that. A mother in the hood can't have "patience" trying to teach her kids about life because one time in the hood could be the last. I know many of you won't understand, though. It's a resource/money/environment thing more so than the parenting style because the latter is subordinate to those three factors.

funny how you can just point out this post hoc bullshyt and try to make it sound like "oh well we need more research" when nikkas in here are TELLING YOU what your limited view doesn't wanna incorporate.

Resources and environment are only a fraction of the equation.

Parenting is RIGHT there with the other two.

A good set of parents will out-do any poor set.

I know BLACK kids who did didn't grow up rich but their parents cared enough about them that they did HELLA well. They didn't even go to the best primary schools.

 

[Poitier]

You really must not wanna LEARN today, huh?

No one is discounting these factors...but because they are FACTORS that means there might be OTHER FACTORS

Culture matters and the parent/student dynamic definitely helps.

I went to a school that had black students that ran the socioeconomic gamut.

What this professor says, holds weight.

Nope.

How you raise your kids has everything to do with it.

Case in point. I can name like AT LEAST 10 people I KNOW who grew up with money AND were black but the influences of culture and how their parents interacted with them affected their own ability to succeed.

CULTURE

MATTERS.

Napoleon shut the fukk up. Just like Broke Wave said, all you do is muddle around and give stupid anecdotes. I think I've made it clear that culture/parenting style plays a role but a very small role. I've also made it clear the reasons why a affluent Black student still isn't analogous to a White person in that same position. Environment/Resources/Money all cede culture, which is a subordinate of the three.

funny how you can just point out this post hoc bullshyt and try to make it sound like "oh well we need more research" when nikkas in here are TELLING YOU what your limited view doesn't wanna incorporate.

Resources and environment are only a fraction of the equation.

Parenting is RIGHT there with the other two.

A good set of parents will out-do any poor set.

I know BLACK kids who did didn't grow up rich but their parents cared enough about them that they did HELLA well. They didn't even go to the best primary schools.

Personal anecdotes. Cool. A parent with money who can send their kid to a top academy and hire the best tutors but not give a fukk about the child's schooling on a personal level will out do the parent who has limited means but tries to instill the importance of education, time and time again.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

This is false and I'm starting to believe that you're a st0rmfr0nt poster. Students learn better from educators who look like them. It's that simple. Has nothing to do with culture because there are TONS of morally depleted White kids who achieve at an academic level. American culture in general is toxic.

We're done here.

You'd have to think Blacks are inherently ghetto, ignorant, evil monkeys to buy the narrative you're trying to sell.

HOLY fukkING shyt MAN.

No one is saying that not by a mile.

You don't have to for side of the argument that makes it sound like we're saying blacks have something innately wrong with them. No one is going that eugenics route so fall the fukk back with all that shyt.

What we ARE saying is that stereotypically, there are elements that come into play when raising children, whether that be as a result of the socioeconomic pressures of being minorities or not, that DO affect children's ability to perform...and that LARGELY has to do with parental interaction.

Money, status, and resources are NOT the ultimate statistic here.

Its easy for you to defend since you don't have to commit any thought to the idea or incorporate new, more nuanced information instead of just reading off numbers.

You know there are kids who, due to a lack of parental foresight, all the resources and money in the world WONT help.

 

[Poitier]

We're done here.



HOLY fukkING shyt MAN.

No one is saying that not by a mile.

You don't have to for side of the argument that makes it sound like we're saying blacks have something innately wrong with them. No one is going that eugenics route so fall the fukk back with all that shyt.

What we ARE saying is that stereotypically, there are elements that come into play when raising children, whether that be as a result of the socioeconomic pressures of being minorities or not, that DO affect children's ability to perform...and that LARGELY has to do with parental interaction.

Money, status, and resources are NOT the ultimate statistic here.

Its easy for you to defend since you don't have to commit any thought to the idea or incorporate new, more nuanced information instead of just reading off numbers.

You know there are kids who, due to a lack of parental foresight, all the resources and money in the world WONT help.

You're wrong. Majority of kids would have no trouble learning if they went to top tier schools, lived in excess and learned from educators who looked like them.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Napoleon shut the fukk up. Just like Broke Wave said, all you do is muddle around and give stupid anecdotes.

and what the entire fukk have you been doing this whole time?

Come off that bullshyt. You're not the only intelligent person in this bytch.

I think I've made it clear that culture/parenting style plays a role but a very small role.

And I disagree.

The fact that you're defending this shyt to the core makes it sound like its OBJECTIVELY true.

its not.

Accept this info and move on.

I've also made it clear the reasons why a affluent Black student still isn't analogous to a White person in that same position. Environment/Resources/Money all cede culture, which is a subordinate of the three.

And I disagree. Call them anecdotes, but where I'm from, black success is the de rigeur so I can easily say that money/resources ain't everything. It helps, but its not everything.

Personal anecdotes. Cool. A parent with money who can send their kid to a top academy and hire the best tutors but not give a fukk about the child's schooling on a personal level will out do the parent who has limited means but tries to instill the importance of education, time and time again.

Dude. this is just fukking false.

I am one of the kids you think doesn't even exist.

My parents NEVER had it, but they made me wanna get it.