Ryan Coogler & Michael B. Jordan vampire film "Sinners"

[Barlow]

As a Mississippian I give the movie an 8/10. I definitely enjoyed the music, setting and characters that made the first half. MBJ accent though

Spoiler

Them past and present spirit nikkas appearing during preacher boys set is definitely a marker for when the movie went in a totally different direction though. I knew there were vampires but I legitimately said “nikka what the fukk am I watching” when nikkas started crip walking and ll cool j popped up

at the end of the day my theater was full of black people and gave it round of applause at the end. Great time

 

[Deafheaven]

As a Mississippian I give the movie an 8/10. I definitely enjoyed the music, setting and characters that made the first half. MBJ accent though

Spoiler

Them past and present spirit nikkas appearing during preacher boys set is definitely a marker for when the movie went in a totally different direction though. I knew there were vampires but I legitimately said “nikka what the fukk am I watching” when nikkas started crip walking and ll cool j popped up

at the end of the day my theater was full of black people and gave it round of applause at the end. Great time

my joan was mixed and it got some applause at the end too.

the consensus is this is one of them ones

 

[Arris]

You hit the nail on the head. Out of all Ryan’s movies, I think this one showed his limitations as a writer more than any before. 3 major scenes stood out to me as clunky and poorly done, that I know most ppl loved

Spoiler

1. The music time set piece. Completely took me out of the movie. Thought it was corny, campy, and didnt flow at all with the movie before or after. Felt like Ryan just had a vision for it and was gonna put it in regardless. I can dive deeper into why I don’t like it, but overall just as you said, it was disjointed imo.

2. The post credit scene. This was probably the most damaging part of the movie honestly. It makes the vampires way too human. To give Stack the ability to have the self control to listen to Smoke and just leave Sammie alone and live his life with his girl makes it seem like the vampires were right all along. Like what are the actual downsides of being a vampire if your faculties are still with you and you can choose good? Like you’re a soulless, blood thirsty vampire right? If not, we gotta have a discourse lol. Just seemed to step on any type of good vs evil of the vampire vs humans theme. Once again, thought the scene was unnecessary and tacked on and more of Ryan just having a really cool scene he wanted to use vs one really necessary for the overall story.

3. Smoke killing the KKK was just some gratuitous, “I want my Django” moment type shyt. I love seeing some clansman get fukked up in a movie, don’t get me wrong. But this was sooooo forced and goofy that it actually pissed me off. And Coogler is a much better writer than this. Once again this scene felt tacked on, instead of truly woven into the story. Like we got a picture of a clans gown and one sentence from the main vampire of set up. Why would the clansmen not go on a night raid, when the juke would be packed with nikkas, to attack? They wait until morning, when it’s all cleared up? Why? If he wanted this scene, I feel like story wise, he could’ve easily elevated that whole showdown. Instead we just get a cheap, tacked on scene, meant to be a suicide. Disappointing. Lowkey, I feel like Ryan looked ant the movie and was like “damn, we really just killed like 40 nikkas to 3 white ppl. That doesn’t sit well with me. Let’s even it out “.

Spoiler

your middle point was the biggest miss I think. it retroactively takes away some of the vampire lore that others are praising him for being so faithful to in the rest of the movie.

also he was vague on the whole hivemind thing, like did the main guy who popped all this off have control over the others? I don't think he did so like why would a big number of them not just branch off to go into town and start trying to kill there?

ultimately I think the period piece life drama sections of the movie were air tight, but as soon as the supernatural kicked in, the cracks in the writing began to show. the biggest flaws of the movie were in the vampire section, but with that being said that part still had a lot to love. the vampires not being overly serious and trying to decieve well past the point of believability (delroy open mouthed baffled at cornbread spreading his arms saying being kind to eachother) their own music sections outside the juke joint waiting for the people inside to get stressed out etc etc...

personal 8/10 for me I'm debating going to see it again in imax at some point in the next week. very enjoyable movie I get the praise, and it's not like the people gushing about it online just don't bring up or gloss over the flaws it's great despite that.

 

[Marco Zen]

it was incredible. I actually got a bit choked up at the music history montage because man...it was just beautiful...black peoples' connection and history and love for music...the beauty in that room.....knowing that these white people were about to take it away...vampires or not.

and it got me again at the end...this was an amazing movie. A+

My grandmother was a share cropper in Mississippi, born in 1922. She lived in a town like that...seeing them pick cotton got me emotional because that is how she started....vampire stuff aside, this was an outstanding movie...and that was fire too.

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I'm from the deep south also. With family that came up in Jim crow and prior.. deep rooted in the deep south so I feel you...

With that being said..

I went into the theater looking to be over critical about it. I can admit that. I straight up planned in nitpicking shyt because I was like there's no way this movie is as great as people are hyping it to be. So I went in with my popcorn ready to be critical than a mf and I was, right up until that music scene.. As hard as I tried I couldn't hate on that, that music scene was some of the dopest shyt any of us has ever seen.. The music was dope, the choreographer was dope the way they shot it was dope, the black power meanings behind it were dope and the fact that it was wrapped in a horror movie in the deep south in 1932 made it mind blowing....

but that was a 8 MINUTE SCENE!!!

To me alot of you nikkaz are reducucing that enrire bland ass horror movie to[ that one super dope 8 minute scene and calling the entire movie great because of it which i think is misleadingas fukk to people who havent seen it..

Again... it was good, not great

that movie is like the bird brain butta face ho with the fat ass .. Yea she got a banging body.. but nowhere near a dime.. /ISPOILER]

 

[Ed MOTHERFUCKING G]

I appreciate and respect your opinion. I'm from the deep south also. With family that came up in Jim crow and prior.. deep rooted in the deep south so I feel you...

With that being said..

I went into the theater looking to be over critical about it. I can admit that. I straight up planned in nitpicking shyt because I was like there's no way this movie is as great as people are hyping it to be. So I went in with my popcorn ready to be critical than a mf and I was, right up until that music scene.. As hard as I tried I couldn't hate on that, that music scene was some of the dopest shyt any of us has ever seen.. The music was dope, the choreographer was dope the way they shot it was dope, the black power meanings behind it were dope and the fact that it was wrapped in a horror movie in the deep south in 1932 made it mind blowing....

but that was a 8 MINUTE SCENE!!!

To me alot of you nikkaz are reducucing that enrire bland ass horror movie to[ that one super dope 8 minute scene and calling the entire movie great because of it which i think is misleadingas fukk to people who havent seen it..

Again... it was good, not great

that movie is like the bird brain butta face ho with the fat ass .. Yea she got a banging body.. but nowhere near a dime.. /ISPOILER]

agree to disagree...i am just judging it as a movie and not 'for a horror movie' type lens. glad we agree on that segment though.

 

[Rollie Forbes]

 

[Bryan Danielson]

So are we ready to have elevated conversations in here yet?

 

[Ozymandeas]

breh, in no way was that trying to give 'credit' of blues to africa. It was showing the deep, heartfelt connection between black people, and music. How it comes from and is part of our soul, and always has been. from africa, to the blues, to funk and boosie collins, to djs and bboys...It was to show how important the juke joint was and how music is a way black people escape from pain or just life in general...this is also the conversation about money and the 'that man worked hard to come here and have fun tonight' conversation when he paid in plantation money...that we all knew these white people were about to take it away.

It wasn't anything to do with saying Africa started blues.

Agreed. He was saying that black people have a deep connection to music and that you can trace soul, rhythm and blues, and jazz back to the Griots of West Africa. When Slaves were brought to America from the regions that became Nigeria / Ghana / Angola / Senegal / Sierra Leone, they obviously continued to play music using whatever instruments they could find and over the generations, we get what we have now.

 

[Ozymandeas]

You hit the nail on the head. Out of all Ryan’s movies, I think this one showed his limitations as a writer more than any before. 3 major scenes stood out to me as clunky and poorly done, that I know most ppl loved

Spoiler

1. The music time set piece. Completely took me out of the movie. Thought it was corny, campy, and didnt flow at all with the movie before or after. Felt like Ryan just had a vision for it and was gonna put it in regardless. I can dive deeper into why I don’t like it, but overall just as you said, it was disjointed imo.

2. The post credit scene. This was probably the most damaging part of the movie honestly. It makes the vampires way too human. To give Stack the ability to have the self control to listen to Smoke and just leave Sammie alone and live his life with his girl makes it seem like the vampires were right all along. Like what are the actual downsides of being a vampire if your faculties are still with you and you can choose good? Like you’re a soulless, blood thirsty vampire right? If not, we gotta have a discourse lol. Just seemed to step on any type of good vs evil of the vampire vs humans theme. Once again, thought the scene was unnecessary and tacked on and more of Ryan just having a really cool scene he wanted to use vs one really necessary for the overall story.

3. Smoke killing the KKK was just some gratuitous, “I want my Django” moment type shyt. I love seeing some clansman get fukked up in a movie, don’t get me wrong. But this was sooooo forced and goofy that it actually pissed me off. And Coogler is a much better writer than this. Once again this scene felt tacked on, instead of truly woven into the story. Like we got a picture of a clans gown and one sentence from the main vampire of set up. Why would the clansmen not go on a night raid, when the juke would be packed with nikkas, to attack? They wait until morning, when it’s all cleared up? Why? If he wanted this scene, I feel like story wise, he could’ve easily elevated that whole showdown. Instead we just get a cheap, tacked on scene, meant to be a suicide. Disappointing. Lowkey, I feel like Ryan looked ant the movie and was like “damn, we really just killed like 40 nikkas to 3 white ppl. That doesn’t sit well with me. Let’s even it out “.

Spoiler

To point 2, it's been 60 years so Stack has probably killed thousands of people by then lol. Not exactly the moral choice there. I think it showed that Stack had enough love for his brother to honor his wishes. I'm pretty sure if we were allowed to continue observing Mary and Stack, we'd see them get up to some very foul shyt in short order. Smoke (and to a lesser extent, Sammie) is just the one person he retained some love for.

To point 3, I think it would've been better if the Klan attacked at night and Stack got to them. For a moment, I thought Stack was hiding in the club still and was going to let them come in

 

[Deafheaven]

Spoiler

To point 2, it's been 60 years so Stack has probably killed thousands of people by then lol. Not exactly the moral choice there. I think it showed that Stack had enough love for his brother to honor his wishes. I'm pretty sure if we were allowed to continue observing Mary and Stack, we'd see them get up to some very foul shyt in short order. Smoke (and to a lesser extent, Sammie) is just the one person he retained some love for.

To point 3, I think it would've been better if the Klan attacked at night and Stack got to them. For a moment, I thought Stack was hiding in the club still and was going to let them come in

Spoiler

Yeah he was the far more sheistier brother so even though he was showing love to his cousin, IDK why you would assume him and ol girl have been saints for the past half a century

 

[CodeKansas]

breh, in no way was that trying to give 'credit' of blues to africa. It was showing the deep, heartfelt connection between black people, and music. How it comes from and is part of our soul, and always has been. from africa, to the blues, to funk and boosie collins, to djs and bboys...It was to show how important the juke joint was and how music is a way black people escape from pain or just life in general...this is also the conversation about money and the 'that man worked hard to come here and have fun tonight' conversation when he paid in plantation money...that we all knew these white people were about to take it away.

It wasn't anything to do with saying Africa started blues.

Re-read my shyt, because I never wrote that, breh.

Although now that you mention it, Delta Slim did say "Blues wasn't forced on us like Christianity. We brought this with us from home."

I don't believe that shyt for a second. Blues is a unique genre of music that came from a horrible situation that was put upon us. Hundreds of years of separation, as I said earlier. If that musical connection truly existed, why is it that we're the only ones coming up with shyt to this day?

My stance is that our connection to music is unique due to our situation, not a former homeland. The scene detracted from the movie by bringing up a people and a place that has nothing to do with us, and felt shoehorned in just because.

 

[Deafheaven]

Re-read my shyt, because I never wrote that, breh.

Although now that you mention it, Delta Slim did say "Blues wasn't forced on us like Christianity. We brought this with us from home."

I don't believe that shyt for a second. Blues is a unique genre of music that came from a horrible situation that was put upon us. Hundreds of years of separation, as I said earlier. If that musical connection truly existed, why is it that we're the only ones coming up with shyt to this day?

My stance is that our connection to music is unique due to our situation, not a former homeland. The scene detracted from the movie by bringing up a people and a place that has nothing to do with us, and felt shoehorned in just because.

Bro what

he obvs meant that the inherent soul and musicality of black people was what we brought. Yes it originated in america but time and time again black people innovate and created new forms of music and where did we come...Africa.

Its not really that hard of a concept to grasp and no logical leaps have to be made at all.

 

[RealCrownHeights]

I give it a 7.5. I'm sorry, but aside from The Wire, Fruitville Station and Creed 1, MBJ's acting isn't that strong to me. I hated the scene about the musical history and the ballerina and all that etc. But overall, I dug the messages, and the movie overall, some horny ass but funny scenes, and good action to me aside from the end with the Django kill clan mission.

 

[chiefdogg]

 

[Wig Twistin Season]

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