Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

[Lord Beasley]

partially, some bond trading ... bonds issued by the russian govt.

worthless ahhz bonds i want to hope that the russian economy collapses, but i feel for citizens not supporting the atrocities

Lmaooo he edited it. Sad

he knew he was dead wrong, troll or not

 

[Voice of Reason]

Remember when they said the S-400s were so advanced they could evade U.S. tracking systems and eviscerate us? They’re either trash af or they only got a couple of them things because where are they at? Turkey probably want a refund right now.

Aren't S-400's defensive missiles?

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

FWIW you do know LBJ and Nixon went to Vietnam in the middle of the Vietnam War. Eisenhower went into the Korean Combat Zone when he was President-elect. And as he points out, three European Prime Ministers visited with Zelensky in Kyiv just last week.

Polish, Czech, Slovenian PMs pay surprise visit to besieged Kyiv

Obviously Biden won't do it, but you're so offended that he asked because....?

if Biden goes and the building/plane he’s staying in gets shelled World War 3 would be absolutely guaranteed

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

At what cost?


Having access to that port doesn't bring in new trade. Even if its about military movements, his military is getting exposed as soft. He's deploying $100 million hypersonic missles because the $30 million one aren't blowing up enough. His supply trucks are in abysmal shape and China ain't jumping to churn out new ones. He still suffering record sanctions. The youth of Russia are fleeing to Armenia and other states for work/security. His inner circle is shrinking. The oligarchs who still have access to their funds have fled the country. The country is cut off from the global financial system. Gettin access to the Black Sea doesn't mean shyt if nothing's coming in. And Chechnya ain't about to save the Russian economy. And from the looks of it neither is China.

I'm sorry, breh. But he can't just bully his way out of this one. NATO will proxy war this until the end of time if it means the depletion of the Russian military and the destruction of its economy. We've literally never seen something like this economically in our lifetime.

"Victory" militarily isn't always "winning" the war. The US went over to Vietnam and killed untold numbers of Vietnamese...but no one would twist their mouths to say that war was won.

pretty much agree with everything you said.
to follow up, time is not on Putin's side imo.
the longer this goes on the farther his skirt gets pulled up exposing the weaknesses of his institutions from the military to the FSB, the Duma, etc...
on the other hand, Ukraine is no doubt suffering losses of life and infrastructure but they are shoring up on all fronts as well.
Zelinsky has no choice but to play a painful waiting game while making Putin very publicly pay for every hour he spends on Ukrainian soil in blood, treasure and reputation.

imagining what Russia is gonna look like in 5 years is anywhere from to

i can't remember the last time the European chessboard was so

 

[CASHAPP]

 

[Ozymandeas]

you need to expand your definitions of winning and losing.
time is on Ukraine's side and the more time goes by the narrower the definition of "win" becomes for Putin.
Ukraine on the other hand has time as an ally in many ways. they are undoubtedly getting stronger militarily as time goes by.
certainly we can agree on that? they are also using this time to dominate the word stage and engage diplomatically with allies and Russia.
even if the talks with Russia go nowhere (they won't) at least they have other things cooking up in the background.

Breh 10 million Ukrainians have fled their homes. That’s 25% of their population. To put that in USA terms, that would be like 75 million Americans fleeing their homes during a war here. Russia is easily winning and has destabilized that country to hell. The only “win” Ukraine has is that they can make this process as tedious and as drawn out as possible before succumbing and that they can count on the West to make it hurt Russia financially. IJS, don’t pretend they’re winning. If 75 million Americans had to flee into shelters, centers, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, that would be a fukkin nightmare.

 

[Ozymandeas]

Dude is stressed the fukk out you would start talking a bit crazy too

Word. For him it might as well be.

 

[CASHAPP]

Breh 10 million Ukrainians have fled their homes. That’s 25% of their population. To put that in USA terms, that would be like 75 million Americans fleeing their homes during a war here. Russia is easily winning and has destabilized that country to hell. The only “win” Ukraine has is that they can make this process as tedious and as drawn out as possible before succumbing and that they can count on the West to make it hurt Russia financially. IJS, don’t pretend they’re winning. If 75 million Americans had to flee into shelters, centers, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, that would be a fukkin nightmare.

and thats more than the population of NYC. Imagine if the whole NYC just bounced. and its half the population of NY State. Like its really hard to phathom we just see what we see on TV but just think about how crazy it is that millions of people left one country in less than a month

 

[Professor Emeritus]

if Biden goes and the building/plane he’s staying in gets shelled World War 3 would be absolutely guaranteed

If Russia wanted to start World War III they have plenty of other avenues with which to do it.

 

[Ozymandeas]

and thats more than the population of NYC. Imagine if the whole NYC just bounced. and its half the population of NY State. Like its really hard to phathom we just see what we see on TV but just think about how crazy it is that millions of people left one country in less than a month

Yea. It’s like if most of the East Coast fled from their homes. NYC, Philly, DC, Baltimore and Boston. With some of those cities bombed to shreds. It’s hard to fathom like you said. It’s something out of a dystopian movie.

 

[Jmare007]

If Russia wanted to start World War III they have plenty of other avenues with which to do it.

Shooting the US president isn't even about WWIII, it's about your whole country (Russia) turning into rubble for the dumbest reason imaginable

 

[Liu Kang]

At what cost?


Having access to that port doesn't bring in new trade. Even if its about military movements, his military is getting exposed as soft. He's deploying $100 million hypersonic missles because the $30 million one aren't blowing up enough. His supply trucks are in abysmal shape and China ain't jumping to churn out new ones. He still suffering record sanctions. The youth of Russia are fleeing to Armenia and other states for work/security. His inner circle is shrinking. The oligarchs who still have access to their funds have fled the country. The country is cut off from the global financial system. Gettin access to the Black Sea doesn't mean shyt if nothing's coming in. And Chechnya ain't about to save the Russian economy. And from the looks of it neither is China.

I'm sorry, breh. But he can't just bully his way out of this one. NATO will proxy war this until the end of time if it means the depletion of the Russian military and the destruction of its economy. We've literally never seen something like this economically in our lifetime.

"Victory" militarily isn't always "winning" the war. The US went over to Vietnam and killed untold numbers of Vietnamese...but no one would twist their mouths to say that war was won.

Agree with everything but just one thing : the cost and time is also on Ukraine and they may not have that much either. Russia has 200k men and considering how Russia fights its wars, a good part of them is expendable realistically speaking. How many Ukrainians can Ukraine afford to lose ?

Russia will ultimately lose this conflict, if not military, at least in terms of diplomacy, economy, influence and so on. It's almost guaranteed right now after almost a month of war. So the hole they digging for themselves gets deeper the more they are in this war and indeed Ukrainians should make the conflict a grind as long as possible.

But let's not forget that in the mean time Ukrainian civilians are also dying and cities and infrastructure are being reduced to rubble. We saw how Russia operated in Syria and Chechenya, so we can be sure that it will take Ukraine with it to whatever depth they sinking to.

I have no doubt that the West will help Ukraine rebuild but the country was already the poorest by capita in Europe and it's being battered furthermore to third world status as long as the conflict lasts.

Ultimately, I hope that the conflict drags on as long as possible for Russia but I hope that negociations can be fruitful next month for Ukraine.

 

[Black Magisterialness]

Breh 10 million Ukrainians have fled their homes. That’s 25% of their population. To put that in USA terms, that would be like 75 million Americans fleeing their homes during a war here. Russia is easily winning and has destabilized that country to hell. The only “win” Ukraine has is that they can make this process as tedious and as drawn out as possible before succumbing and that they can count on the West to make it hurt Russia financially. IJS, don’t pretend they’re winning. If 75 million Americans had to flee into shelters, centers, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean, that would be a fukkin nightmare.

But here's the thing. The eradication of Ukraine wasn't the casus belli, it was the "denazification and total takeover of ukraine".

It doesn't matter HOW MANY PEOPLE FLEE. If the Ukrainian government still stands...Putin didn't win. Ukraine isn't trying to totally decimate the Russian military apparatus and push on to kill Putin...which is why you don't hear of any artilary instillations, counter-offensives, or jockeying for land. Ukraine's objective here is simple. Survival.

As @Orbital-Fetus continues to illustrate, time is in the Ukrainians' favor. Why? The longer they stall the push to Kyiv, the more weapons and support they get from NATO, the more Putin gets pressured from the domestic issues, the more logistical problems his army has. etc. And @Liu Kang you're correct in saying Ukraine can't afford to lose men. But urban warfare has ALWAYS benefitted the small strike force. You see what insurgents did to the US military in Iraq. They too were outmanned/outgunned. Imagine if they had the support of a NATO in the wings....we wouldn't be talking about that conflict as a victory either.

Yes, Russia is winning LAND BATTLES. But they are not winning the war long term. America went into Afghanistan, took it over in two weeks and installed puppet governments in less than a year. Did that destroy the American economy? Was there BREAD on the shelves? Were millenials and Gen X leaving the country to go work in Canada? Nope.

War, traditionally, drains your country of resources only to replenish them with innovation and the spoils of conquered lands. Putin is getting neither of them and draning his country of resources and opportunity.

Tell me, what good is winning a war if your country falls apart to do it?

 

[Cryptocurrency Scarface]

If Russia wanted to start World War III they have plenty of other avenues with which to do it.

True but I feel a trip to Ukraine might bait them

 

[Orbital-Fetus]

nothing came of Putin's demand to surrender Mariupol?