Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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Kokoro said:
Exactly. It’s become an antiquated way of thinking. And Putin’s reasoning for the war is senseless. He’s invading for the sake of it

It would make sense to increase relations with Ukraine with so many Russians living there and having family there and vice versa

To be fair I don’t think @Mowgli and @Broke Wave are bad people and they do make valid points like the the treatment of Africans and the ethics of land acquisition throughout history. And blindly believing in and supporting American propaganda

But the pro war stances supporting an inhumane war are ill timed and supporting Putin is terrible, lacks empathy and Putin has intensified the plight and racism blacks face in foreign countries it’s insane to support him.
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You don't think like a leader. Too emotional.

Emotional reasons dont matter when we are talking about states and their respective security policies. Policy. Not feelings. Us involvement is hurting my gas tank. Let them fight and keep the nation out of another war but I guess it's to late for that now.

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Ozymandeas said:
Off topic but Germany is investing $100 billion into their own military. It’s crazy how, even now, 80 years later, we’re still a bit :huhldup: at the thought of that.
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If it's any mitigation a great deal of the German public feel the same as us. They're far happier exporting luxury cars and techno to the world than tanks these days.
 
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Mowgli said:
You don't think like a leader. Too emotional.

Emotional reasons dont matter when we are talking about states and their respective security policies. Policy. Not feelings. Us involvement is hurting my gas tank. Let them fight and keep the nation out of another war but I guess it's to late for that now.

Soccer mom foreign policy isn't reality
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Why shouldn't Russia invade Moldova? Poland? Lithuania to get to Kaliningrad? Why not?
 
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This shyt is fascinating at how little its being discussed...










https://tsn.ua/ru/ato/predstoyatel-...val-voynu-samym-strashnym-grehom-2005162.html

The Primate of the UOC Onufry accused the Russian Federation of attacking Ukraine and called the war "the most terrible sin"
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According to him, Ukraine is going through a time of difficult tests caused by the attack on our country by Russian troops.

The Primate of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), Metropolitan Onufry of Kiev and All Ukraine made a statement about Russia's war against Ukraine. In particular, he said that "today our country is experiencing a time of difficult trials caused by the attack on our country by Russian troops," and also called the war "a terrible sin."

This is discussed in the statement of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of March 10, 2022.

"The Ukrainian Orthodox Church is the Church of the Ukrainian people. It unites believers in the East and West, North and South of our country. It consists of people of different nationalities and different political beliefs. But we are all one in Christ. For more than 1000 years of its existence, our Church has always been and remains with its people," the message reads.

According to Onufry, today Ukraine is experiencing a time of difficult tests caused by the attack on our country by Russian troops.

"In all churches and monasteries of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, intensified prayers for the early onset of peace and the cessation of bloodshed do not stop. We have consistently called for a peaceful settlement of conflicts through dialogue. War is the worst sin that exists in this world. It makes you look at another person not as an image of God, but as an enemy who needs to be killed. Therefore, there is no excuse for those who start wars," he said.

supported the Ukrainian army and appealed to the president of the aggressor country Vladimir Putin.


He called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to cease hostilities in Ukraine.

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Metropolitan Onufriy: Russia has started military actions against Ukraine, pray for the army and the people

Metropolitan Onufriy: Russia has started military actions against Ukraine, pray for the army and the people
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In an “Address to the Faithful and Citizens of Ukraine” on 24 February, Metropolitan Onufriy of Kyiv (Moscow Patriarchate) candidly addressed the current situation:

“Trouble has happened,” he said. “Most regrettably, Russia has started military actions against Ukraine, and at this fateful time, I urge you not to panic, be courageous and show love for your homeland and for one another.”

According to oikoumene.org, the Metropolitan further urged people to pray for Ukraine, for the army and the people, to forget mutual quarrels and misunderstandings, and to unite in love for God and the homeland.

“In this tragic time, we express special love and support for our soldiers who stand guard and protect and defend our land and our people,” he stated. “May God bless and guard them!”

Metropolitan Onufriy appealed directly to the president of Russia to ask for an immediate end to the “fratricidal war”. “The war between these peoples is a repetition of the sin of Cain, who killed his own brother out of envy,” he stated. “Such a war has no excuse, neither from God nor from people.”

He concluded: “I appeal to all for common sense, which teaches us to solve our earthly problems in mutual dialogue and mutual understanding, and sincerely hope that God will forgive us our sins and the peace of God will prevail in our land and in the world!”
 
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Preparing for Defeat
Preparing for Defeat
Francis Fukuyama10 Mar 2022, 4:03 pm
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Bohdan Khmelnytsky Monument, Kiev
I’m writing this from Skopje, North Macedonia, where I’ve been for the last week teaching one of our Leadership Academy for Development courses. Following the Ukraine war is no different here in terms of available information, except that I’m in an adjacent time zone, and the fact that there is more support for Putin in the Balkans than in other parts of Europe. A lot of the latter is due to Serbia, and Serbia's hosting of Sputnik.

I’ll stick my neck out and make several prognostications:

  1. Russia is heading for an outright defeat in Ukraine. Russian planning was incompetent, based on a flawed assumption that Ukrainians were favorable to Russia and that their military would collapse immediately following an invasion. Russian soldiers were evidently carrying dress uniforms for their victory parade in Kyiv rather than extra ammo and rations. Putin at this point has committed the bulk of his entire military to this operation—there are no vast reserves of forces he can call up to add to the battle. Russian troops are stuck outside various Ukrainian cities where they face huge supply problems and constant Ukrainian attacks.
  2. The collapse of their position could be sudden and catastrophic, rather than happening slowly through a war of attrition. The army in the field will reach a point where it can neither be supplied nor withdrawn, and morale will vaporize. This is at least true in the north; the Russians are doing better in the south, but those positions would be hard to maintain if the north collapses.
  3. There is no diplomatic solution to the war possible prior to this happening. There is no conceivable compromise that would be acceptable to both Russia and Ukraine given the losses they have taken at this point.
  4. The United Nations Security Council has proven once again to be useless. The only helpful thing was the General Assembly vote, which helps to identify the world’s bad or prevaricating actors.
  5. The Biden administration’s decisions not to declare a no-fly zone or help transfer Polish MiGs were both good ones; they've kept their heads during a very emotional time. It is much better to have the Ukrainians defeat the Russians on their own, depriving Moscow of the excuse that NATO attacked them, as well as avoiding all the obvious escalatory possibilities. The Polish MiGs in particular would not add much to Ukrainian capabilities. Much more important is a continuing supply of Javelins, Stingers, TB2s, medical supplies, comms equipment, and intel sharing. I assume that Ukrainian forces are already being vectored by NATO intelligence operating from outside Ukraine.
  6. The cost that Ukraine is paying is enormous, of course. But the greatest damage is being done by rockets and artillery, which neither MiGs nor a no-fly zone can do much about. The only thing that will stop the slaughter is defeat of the Russian army on the ground.
  7. Putin will not survive the defeat of his army. He gets support because he is perceived to be a strongman; what does he have to offer once he demonstrates incompetence and is stripped of his coercive power?
  8. The invasion has already done huge damage to populists all over the world, who prior to the attack uniformly expressed sympathy for Putin. That includes Matteo Salvini, Jair Bolsonaro, Éric Zemmour, Marine Le Pen, Viktor Orbán, and of course Donald Trump. The politics of the war has exposed their openly authoritarian leanings.
  9. The war to this point has been a good lesson for China. Like Russia, China has built up seemingly high-tech military forces in the past decade, but they have no combat experience. The miserable performance of the Russian air force would likely be replicated by the People’s Liberation Army Air Force, which similarly has no experience managing complex air operations. We may hope that the Chinese leadership will not delude itself as to its own capabilities the way the Russians did when contemplating a future move against Taiwan.
  10. Hopefully Taiwan itself will wake up as to the need to prepare to fight as the Ukrainians have done, and restore conscription. Let’s not be prematurely defeatist.
  11. Turkish drones will become bestsellers.
  12. A Russian defeat will make possible a “new birth of freedom,” and get us out of our funk about the declining state of global democracy. The spirit of 1989 will live on, thanks to a bunch of brave Ukrainians.
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