Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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Russia getting it's ass handed to then in Ukraine and yet you still think Putin is winning. GTFO you Putinist clown. :russ:

I said regardless of what happens, Russia gets its desired outcome, which is Ukraine not being invited into NATO. Did you even read what I wrote? Or did you just quote anyone so you could get into a conversation :russ:We are one misfire away from WWIII. Why on Earth would Brussels want Ukraine anywhere near them after this dumbass? This is like smashing a broad and her boyfriend coming to your job with a gun looking for you. Even if you beat his ass, you not fukking with that girl anymore after that. Don't quote me either. People not reading this thread to hear no corny back and forth.
 
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You use such beautiful language about aspirations and antagonism. But it hides the ugly practicality of what choices Putin makes.

Russian growth is being funded by the selling of gas/ oil to NATO countries. His relevance is directly tied to the well-being of NATO countries. Nothing about invading Ukraine is about Russian growth. It’s about Putin’s relevance as a singular figure in the region. You rightly point out CIA supporting Pro-Western forces but slide right pass Russia pushing pro-Russia politicians with his intelligence apparatuses as well. The separatist in Georgia and Moldova which just so happen to make them ineligible for NATO. Belarus is only supporting Russia because of his interference in their elections to maintain his friend in power.

All these countries use their intelligence apparatus for the same selfish goals in these smaller countries.

NATO is just an organization. It’s not benign or antagonistic. How the countries running it are going to ebb and flow as people’s experiences change. The countries who started NATO grew up from the populace who fought/saw Russia in the Crimea Wars ( 1850s)- the polish wars (1920) but also fought in WW2 but fell out over the dividing of Germany.

Before NATO went in stop the murder of the ethnic Albanians. Putin could have told Milosevic to stand down and preserve human life in the Balkans. Instead he made the choice to see NATO as interfering in the Balkans. Showing a similar disregard for life in the face of nationalism we see now.
Appreciate the compliment but my aim was the opposite: to expose the ugly practicality of Putin's choice. The claims of insanity are a cop-out to me that obscures the reality of the rationally evil world we live in.

NATO/Western nations are moving away from gas/oil and embracing green initiatives, which is an existential threat to Petrostates like Russia. Ukraine has a lot of really viable farmland, so annexing those lands gives Russia an economic lifeline moving forward. Which is why Russia had such a vested interest in extending imperialist domination over Ukraine via the backing of separatists and Pro-Russian politicians. You're exactly right that Ukraine and other smaller nations are staging grounds for the imperialist ambitions of superpowers. My claim is that it's not only irrational when one side does so.

There are no "countries" running NATO, there is one country (America) running NATO and other countries in junior partner status. NATO can never take a position that doesn't benefit the United States, but it can take one that doesn't benefit, say, Latvia. The funding disparity is proof positive of this.
 

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And while we're at it, I find all this talk about Putin being crazy or having syphillis or Parkinsons kinda funny. It's the same line that's always trot out whenever a country's leader counters American interests. Castro? Crazy. Gaddafi? Insane. Saddam? Lunatic. The Kims? Nutty. Khomeini? Psycho. Lumumba? Deranged. Chavez? Maniac. Seems like sanity is directly correlated to the willingness to be subordinate to American interests.

There are many rational reasons why Putin, the definitionally precarious leader of a kleptocratic oligarchy with internal power struggles ruling over a country with water/climate concerns and a potentially waning strangehold on their economically prized European gas domination and a buffer state neighbour increasingly leaning towards joining a military alliance with a hegemonic enemy, would make this move. It was a gamble, the odds of which paying off are looking increasingly diminished due to the heroism of Ukrainians, but it wasn't particularly irrational. By all metrics the Gulf War (so say nothing of the Iraq War) was a far more irrational venture than Putin's invasion. But for some reason American leadership never gets the tag of irrationality. That's only reserved for foreigners, usually darker ones. Edward Said rolling over in his grave.

Putin's nationalistic aspirations of Russian growth and relevance are diametrically opposed by American interests, hence CIA supporting Pro-Western forces during Euromaidan, which Putin viewed as a massive antagonism. Those same Pro-Western Ukrainians going so hard in the paint is what's making this whole thing go t*ts up for Putin. All respect to them. Russian imperialists should fukk off. But the idea that NATO is a completely benign and democratic defensive organization and not an extension of the American Military Industrial Complex running an international protection racket in exchange for social and economic dominance over member nations is naive as hell. It's rational for Putin to feel threatened by the prospect of Ukraine joining NATO. *cue some smoothbrained idiot drooling about how this is a defense of Russian imperialism*

An American education is really an exercise is solipsism, as seen by the hysterics in here of posters ridiculously trying to appeal to the timing and sensitivity of Ukrainians fighting for their country as reasons why posters on a message board completely removed from the conflict cannot engage in nuanced discourse. Idiocy.

Well said. :ehh:
 

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nikka point out when I said SANCTIONS are a bad idea you delusional mf.


smack yo self when you dont find it lmfao.

Do you know what exactly a sanction is?

Again, you bringing up what happened after WW1 makes no sense. A defeated Germany forced to accept terms set by the Versailles Treaty is not the same what is happening now. Furthermore, to put that much stock into some tweet from a random journalist when no Head of State or any high ranking officials from participating countries said anything of the sort is stupid.

What's next, are you going to share a tweet from another rando that says the only way we stop hitting them is for Russia to dissolve their military and postulate on how that may cause the next Stalin?
 
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