Russia's Invasion of Ukraine (Official Thread)

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TrapParis said:
Germany lowkey declared independence from EU if you think about. Countries like Germany have more to gain for being a ally to russia its only natural to have more access to Russia’s vast natural resources logically speaking rather than ship from Qatar or US backed Oil industry.
The EU isn't what it was 20 years ago and has fractured and several european countries think they are self-sufficient and don't need the US-EU anymore

Last 12hrs showed that the US hegemony is pretty much over. Should have just negotiated with Putin and stopped acting like Russia was a NPC with zero self interest since 2014.
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The fukk are you talking about? :gucci:
 
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TrapParis said:
Germany lowkey declared independence from EU if you think about. Countries like Germany have more to gain for being a ally to russia its only natural to have more access to Russia’s vast natural resources logically speaking rather than ship from Qatar or US backed Oil industry.
The EU isn't what it was 20 years ago and has fractured and several european countries think they are self-sufficient and don't need the US-EU anymore

Last 12hrs showed that the US hegemony is pretty much over. Should have just negotiated with Putin and stopped acting like Russia was a NPC with zero self interest since 2014.
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News to me breh :pachaha:


Germany and France basically run the EU.
 
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MoneyTron said:
Putin believes in that. I don't think the Russian populace does.
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You'd be surprised at how much nationalism and ethnicity plays a role in EE.

Even the Ukranians are on camera willing to die "for their country".

Look at Djokovic ... his issues with Australia were seen as being a repudiation for Serbia itself. Serbian president said "Joker is serbia and serbia is Joker".

I have spent time over in EE and it is stunning the degree to which nationalism plays a role in people's motivation. Probably because they don't have much, they need an ego bolstering -ism to cling to. And then when you attack the things associated with that -ism (in word or deed) the "-ism" holders feel themselves attacked.

So there romantic yarns about "greater days" before some "great betrayal" find fertile ground in the minds of many in that part of the world.
 
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But that's the catch-22 with Putin's statements about Ukraine not being a "real country". Ukraine is not one of the ethnic states. Russians and Ukranians largely view each other as kindred. A feeling of Russian nationalism does not equate with a desire to kill Ukranians. It would be much, much easier to get Russians to buy into killing some other ethnics on behalf of Ukranians.

These are people who would be coexisting amicably if not for the governments involved. That's why there's real doubt as to how long Russia can really go at this. It doesn't make any sense to anyone who isn't deeply learned on the nuances of geopolitics.

For most, they're attacking a friendly country of people who look like them for no real reason.
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iirc Kiev was russian capital for more years than Moscow has

if russians werent so afraid of putin and police, there'd be more protests, especially in big cities
 
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