Russian doing fly bys over US naval ship in the Black Sea

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Yeah, my dude makes it sound like downing stealth planes is easy, the F-117 flew a quarter of a million hours worth of combat sorties, and only 1 was ever shot down.

And that f-117 is retired for the last 6 or so years :dead:

I keep hearing about the SAM-400KM like their aren't anti missile counter measures against SAMs... flares etc evasive manouvers... even then I'm supposed to beleive that a weapon that has never been used before by a military that never uses anything ever is supposed to be optimally effective against not only the Air but the Sea of a country that is literally historically renown for its epic bloodthirstiness? America tests out and tries out it's new toys every few years... I'm to believe that Russia's theoretical (and totally imagined) missile defense of air land and sea is supposed to be totally accurate? I don't believe so my frienditos. Once again I think Israel has a far more capable and dangerous military than Russia.
 

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The idea that Russia has a stationary army based on "button pushing" with lethal accuracy will disable all of Americas bases in Europe is actually laughable. When did they develop this capability? Last year? Every single war game from the late Cold War era is about Russia invading Western Europe... how did all of a sudden did they become the single strongest country on earth due to "missile capability" :heh:
I don't know why they had war games on Russia invading western europe when Russia has and never will invade western europe. :heh:
What part of Russia being a DEFENSIVE country do you not understand? and yes, it is a single strong country with missile capability. You said that land missiles are stationary. completely false. they are mobile, but regardless, even the ones that are....you need to be able to penetration into Russia's turf...which you will not, because again, they will shoot the planes down. You do realize they have the technology to spot all F-22s and all stealth bombers? :heh:

You mention Russia needing to use it in open ocean....errrr their ballistic missiles can go from land to ocean, but regardless why would they need too when its completely DEFENSIVE. see this is the part you don't understand, Russia is not on the offensive, so as long as they can launch ballistic missiles, the only way to stop them are by penetrating Russia, which you can not do since their mid range missiles can take out every single plane you send in.

Can Russia invade west europe? Hell no. only a fool would think that. Can Russia invade America? Nope. Can Russia attack America in the Atlantic? Hell no. Can Russia defend itself from American attacks? HELL fukkING YES. Anyone thinking otherwise really doesn't know what russian tech is about.

@Tommy Knocks floated the idea that missile could shoot down a b-2 bomber... that should disqualify him from further conversation.... America has had stealth tech since 1981 and the world still has yinglet to field a single stealth fighter... how can you shoot down a bomber your radar systems cant even see?

Don't get me started on the drone game :dead: If you're talking conventional war I don't think these nikkas would have the capability to defeat Israel. Real talk.
The fact that you dont know a b2 can be shot down disqualifies YOU from the discussion. Of course a B2 hasnt been shot down yet...errr they wouldnt dare fly it over Russia. HELLOOOOO. :heh:
Russia can detect B2 and F22 EASILY. You're a smart kid, so I'm going let you do the research. Me telling you will just fall on deaf ears, but I'll let you go right ahead and google it. Google Russia's new radar system and how they will not sell it to India in fear of U.S intelligence getting it and learning how to bypass.

Yeah, my dude makes it sound like downing stealth planes is easy, the F-117 flew a quarter of a million hours worth of combat sorties, and only 1 was ever shot down.
F-117 are detected by Russia all the time. They're obsolete. :heh:

I'll let you research that as well. :mjlolz:
 

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Apparently they shot more than that, shyt was swept by the U.S but Russian documents state otherwise. :mjlolz:

I find it hilarious that nikkas are talking about the B2 being invisible....nah nikka as soon as that shyt hit production Russia dumped MILLIONS into their radar detection. The F-35 protocol was stolen by Russian intelligence in Israel. Dumb ass israelis got hacked. Russia been had our blueprints. :mjlolz:
 

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Apparently they shot more than that, shyt was swept by the U.S but Russian documents state otherwise. :mjlolz:

Link???

I find it hilarious that nikkas are talking about the B2 being invisible....nah nikka as soon as that shyt hit production Russia dumped MILLIONS into their radar detection. The F-35 protocol was stolen by Russian intelligence in Israel. Dumb ass israelis got hacked. Russia been had our blueprints. :mjlolz:
Israel stole that too?????????????

I know China just jacks whatever but is this confirmed?
 

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Link???


Israel stole that too?????????????

I know China just jacks whatever but is this confirmed?
No no no. Israel was given the F35 protocol, they are our allies, we gave them a limited edition.

As for the russian link. gotta give me a min.
 

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And that f-117 is retired for the last 6 or so years :dead:

I keep hearing about the SAM-400KM like their aren't anti missile counter measures against SAMs... flares etc evasive manouvers... even then I'm supposed to beleive that a weapon that has never been used before by a military that never uses anything ever is supposed to be optimally effective against not only the Air but the Sea of a country that is literally historically renown for its epic bloodthirstiness? America tests out and tries out it's new toys every few years... I'm to believe that Russia's theoretical (and totally imagined) missile defense of air land and sea is supposed to be totally accurate? I don't believe so my frienditos. Once again I think Israel has a far more capable and dangerous military than Russia.


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Link???


Israel stole that too?????????????

I know China just jacks whatever but is this confirmed?

american is run by zionists jews who prop up israel. This means the US will give israel every weapon it has.
All russia has to do is steal the tech from israel and develop countermeasures for it Too easy
 

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No no no. Israel was given the F35 protocol, they are our allies, we gave them a limited edition.

As for the russian link. gotta give me a min.


Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Israeli procurement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main article: Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II procurement
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Israeli procurement

A model of F-35 at Nevatim Air Force Base.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Israeli procurement is the result of an agreement for the government of Israel to procure the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II for the Israeli Air Force.



Contents
[hide]


History[edit]
2003[edit]
In 2003, Israel signed a formal letter of agreement, worth almost $20 million, to join the System Development and Demonstration (SDD) effort for the F-35 as a "security cooperation participant" (SCP).[1]

2006[edit]
The Israeli Air Force (IAF) stated in 2006 that the F-35 is a key part of IAF's recapitalization plans, and that Israel intends to buy over 100 F-35A fighters at an estimated cost of over $5 billion to replace their F-16s over time.[2] Israel was reinstated as a partner in the development of the F-35 on 31 July 2006, after its participation was put on hold following the Chinese arms deal crisis.[3]

On 16 November 2006, Yaakov Katz of the Jerusalem Post reported that if no jet fighters were delivered to Israel between the last batch of F-16s in 2007 and the first F-35s in 2014 then the IAF would decline in numbers as older fighters wore out and were retired.[4]

2010[edit]
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems is developing smaller versions of the Python and Derby missiles for internal carriage while Israel Military Industries is developing a penetration bomb in the same configuration as the Mk 82 500 lb bomb.[5]However these have been put off in order to rush the aircraft into operation to deal with the Nuclear program of Iran.[6]

On 26 July 2010, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said that he would insist on the industrial participation, local electronic warfare parts and local weapons aspects during his trip to the United States.[7] Barak submitted a request to the full cabinet for 20 F-35s for $2.75 billion to be delivered starting in 2015. This includes the costs of setting up local firms to assemble the aircraft and manufacture spare parts.[8][9] The entire package is to be paid for though American military assistance.[10][11]

Former head of the IAF, retired Major General Eitan Ben Eliyahu, has called the American approval of the deal a key test ofIsrael – United States relations.[12]

“The F-35 is the fighter plane of the future that will allow Israel to maintain its aerial superiority and its technological advantage in the region... The F-35 will give the IAF better capabilities, both near and far, to help strengthen Israel's national security.”
—Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.[13]

In a bid to maintain Israel's technological gap ahead of Arab states, the F-35 deal was pushed through instead of upgrading the air force's F-15s and F-16s. This approach sticks to the principle that Israel is the first country in the Middle East to receive the newest fighter aircraft. The IAF was sufficiently committed to this principle to override protests from the leaders of Israeli defense contractors, who claimed that the deal was damaging them. The package also got by opposition from a number of members of the General Staff who criticized the high price of the deal, which does not allow for investment into weapons for the land forces and navy.[13]

The first squadron of 20 F-35 jets from the first production series would only include a few Israeli-made systems. The United States, meanwhile, has agreed that if Israel buys more F-35 squadrons from later production series, the installation of more Israeli-made systems will be allowed. To sweeten the deal, Lockheed Martin said it would buy parts and systems for the F-35 from Israeli companies at a cost of $4 billion. The aircraft will be designated F-35I, as there will be unique Israeli features installed in them.[14]

The total price tag confirmed by Barak indicates that each aircraft costs about $96 million, with further expenses on training, simulators, spare parts and the building of maintenance infrastructure. Defense Ministry Director-General Udi Shani said that apart from the jet's operational capacity, a significant factor in closing the deal included previous agreements on integrating Israeli defense contractors in producing the F-35 for other clients.[13]
 

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Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Israeli procurement
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Main article: Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II procurement
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Israeli procurement

A model of F-35 at Nevatim Air Force Base.
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II Israeli procurement is the result of an agreement for the government of Israel to procure the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II for the Israeli Air Force.



Contents
[hide]


History[edit]
2003[edit]
In 2003, Israel signed a formal letter of agreement, worth almost $20 million, to join the System Development and Demonstration (SDD) effort for the F-35 as a "security cooperation participant" (SCP).[1]

2006[edit]
The Israeli Air Force (IAF) stated in 2006 that the F-35 is a key part of IAF's recapitalization plans, and that Israel intends to buy over 100 F-35A fighters at an estimated cost of over $5 billion to replace their F-16s over time.[2] Israel was reinstated as a partner in the development of the F-35 on 31 July 2006, after its participation was put on hold following the Chinese arms deal crisis.[3]

On 16 November 2006, Yaakov Katz of the Jerusalem Post reported that if no jet fighters were delivered to Israel between the last batch of F-16s in 2007 and the first F-35s in 2014 then the IAF would decline in numbers as older fighters wore out and were retired.[4]

2010[edit]
Rafael Advanced Defense Systems is developing smaller versions of the Python and Derby missiles for internal carriage while Israel Military Industries is developing a penetration bomb in the same configuration as the Mk 82 500 lb bomb.[5]However these have been put off in order to rush the aircraft into operation to deal with the Nuclear program of Iran.[6]

On 26 July 2010, Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak said that he would insist on the industrial participation, local electronic warfare parts and local weapons aspects during his trip to the United States.[7] Barak submitted a request to the full cabinet for 20 F-35s for $2.75 billion to be delivered starting in 2015. This includes the costs of setting up local firms to assemble the aircraft and manufacture spare parts.[8][9] The entire package is to be paid for though American military assistance.[10][11]

Former head of the IAF, retired Major General Eitan Ben Eliyahu, has called the American approval of the deal a key test ofIsrael – United States relations.[12]

“The F-35 is the fighter plane of the future that will allow Israel to maintain its aerial superiority and its technological advantage in the region... The F-35 will give the IAF better capabilities, both near and far, to help strengthen Israel's national security.”
—Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak.[13]

In a bid to maintain Israel's technological gap ahead of Arab states, the F-35 deal was pushed through instead of upgrading the air force's F-15s and F-16s. This approach sticks to the principle that Israel is the first country in the Middle East to receive the newest fighter aircraft. The IAF was sufficiently committed to this principle to override protests from the leaders of Israeli defense contractors, who claimed that the deal was damaging them. The package also got by opposition from a number of members of the General Staff who criticized the high price of the deal, which does not allow for investment into weapons for the land forces and navy.[13]

The first squadron of 20 F-35 jets from the first production series would only include a few Israeli-made systems. The United States, meanwhile, has agreed that if Israel buys more F-35 squadrons from later production series, the installation of more Israeli-made systems will be allowed. To sweeten the deal, Lockheed Martin said it would buy parts and systems for the F-35 from Israeli companies at a cost of $4 billion. The aircraft will be designated F-35I, as there will be unique Israeli features installed in them.[14]

The total price tag confirmed by Barak indicates that each aircraft costs about $96 million, with further expenses on training, simulators, spare parts and the building of maintenance infrastructure. Defense Ministry Director-General Udi Shani said that apart from the jet's operational capacity, a significant factor in closing the deal included previous agreements on integrating Israeli defense contractors in producing the F-35 for other clients.[13]
yup. and that was back in 2010. they got 1 or 2 planes, and then got hacked. all the specs stolen. :snoop:

btw. the F35 is just an all combat version of the F22
 

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was the skin formula stolen?
No one really knows how much they took, but, the fact that they've created radar which can detect our stealth technology is suspect.

China also got its hands on the stealth helicopter which crashed in Pakistan during the OBL capture. I'm sure the East have already reversed engineered it.
 

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No one really knows how much they took, but, the fact that they've created radar which can detect our stealth technology is suspect.

China also got its hands on the stealth helicopter which crashed in Pakistan during the OBL capture. I'm sure the East have already reversed engineered it
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Hilary wouldn't even answer that she was just like...uh...what do you think happened to that helicopter? :stopitslime:
 
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