Russian doing fly bys over US naval ship in the Black Sea

[Kritic]

american is run by zionists jews who prop up israel. This means the US will give israel every weapon it has.
All russia has to do is steal the tech from israel and develop countermeasures for it Too easy

why would you laugh at someone who says israel has more tech than russia then say that..

israel owns the united states and whatever united states have they have. remember jfk wanted israel to expose their nuclear arsenal and they refused and is one of the reasons the zionists here killed him.

 

[Hood Critic]

I don't know why they had war games on Russia invading western europe when Russia has and never will invade western europe.
What part of Russia being a DEFENSIVE country do you not understand? and yes, it is a single strong country with missile capability. You said that land missiles are stationary. completely false. they are mobile, but regardless, even the ones that are....you need to be able to penetration into Russia's turf...which you will not, because again, they will shoot the planes down. You do realize they have the technology to spot all F-22s and all stealth bombers?

You mention Russia needing to use it in open ocean....errrr their ballistic missiles can go from land to ocean, but regardless why would they need too when its completely DEFENSIVE. see this is the part you don't understand, Russia is not on the offensive, so as long as they can launch ballistic missiles, the only way to stop them are by penetrating Russia, which you can not do since their mid range missiles can take out every single plane you send in.

Can Russia invade west europe? Hell no. only a fool would think that. Can Russia invade America? Nope. Can Russia attack America in the Atlantic? Hell no. Can Russia defend itself from American attacks? HELL fukkING YES. Anyone thinking otherwise really doesn't know what russian tech is about.


The fact that you dont know a b2 can be shot down disqualifies YOU from the discussion. Of course a B2 hasnt been shot down yet...errr they wouldnt dare fly it over Russia. HELLOOOOO.
Russia can detect B2 and F22 EASILY. You're a smart kid, so I'm going let you do the research. Me telling you will just fall on deaf ears, but I'll let you go right ahead and google it. Google Russia's new radar system and how they will not sell it to India in fear of U.S intelligence getting it and learning how to bypass.


F-117 are detected by Russia all the time. They're obsolete.

I'll let you research that as well. :mjlolz:

Which button combination are they going to use? Triangle, Circle, Left Trigger or Right Trigger?

 

[Broke Wave]

yup. and that was back in 2010. they got 1 or 2 planes, and then got hacked. all the specs stolen.

btw. the F35 is just an all combat version of the F22

I'm supposed to debate military avionics with you and you post this

Russia has the tech to shoot down a b-2 bomber? say word breh

What's that according to.... is that ... according to... RUSSIA

According to Russia they have X Y Z but according to reality they are a broke fascist plutocracy with a shytty ass military.

There is literally no evidence at all right now you can post in this thread that says that any radar on earth can detect American future stealth aircraft. Absolutely none except the Russian arms manufacturers trying to sell their useless shyt to idiot countries.

The funny part about "sinking a carrier" is that you keep sayin that like they just float alone... their surrounded by an ENTIRE CARRIER GROUP... that is designed to literally jump in front of the missile as it approaches, find out where it was launched from and deliver a incapacitating strike wherever it was launched. That's why Iran seems like a threat to sink a Carrier because they are close as hell with the sunburn in the gulf maybe SLIP it by the defenses. NOBODY sees russia's remote installations as a threat to sink a carrier, that literally has never been preposed by anyone. Before they could even open a hatch they would be turned off by a b-2. The Job of the b-2 is to turn off Radar and disrupt communications, they even drop EMP's along with cluster bombs.

@Type Username Here can vouch probably that I am the least gung ho war guy ever but this idea that a stationary missile launching from Russia could do any type of damage to the USAF is like... beyond absurd.


Don't get me wrong... it didn't always used to be like this... back in the day the f16 vs mig 29 was a serious debate... and the SU 27 vs the f-15 was some real shyt... but we're talking about advanced avionics and the best trained fighters in the world vs Russia... are we serious here brehs? Some missles from some bases in Siberia are going to destroy a fukking carrier? That would be literally the last thing that ever happend in a conflict between Russia and America.

The GREAT IRONY is that if any country has ever delivered ballistic missiles effectively, ever, it has been America

Russia didn't do it against the Afghans or even the Chechens (who exposed them for being the worst trained army ever)... but America sure as hell delivered that Tomahawk literally in the living room of Saddam Hussein

Like quite literally in his living room. Yet Russia has the expertise.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

I'm supposed to debate military avionics with you and you post this

Um dog. the F22 is an interceptor, its main role is air to air combat, the F35 is a multirole plane, this is actually common knowledge, as in, I could go to a bar, and ask a random stranger what the difference is, and even american joe would know this, the fact that you don't.....is quite alarming. meanwhile you're trying to school me on avionics Russian tech.

The F-22 Raptor, designed for the United States Air Force, is a twin-engine fighter intended primarily for
air-to-air combat but also capable of attacking ground targets

F-22

The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II is a family of single-seat, single-engine, fifth-generation multirole fighters under development to perform ground attack, reconnaissance, and air defense missions with stealth capability

F35.

oh boy.


and yes, I know aircraft carriers have teams to defend them, that is kept in mind with ASBM. I can see now that you are not reading the links, so Im going to assume you're trolling now.

 

[Broke Wave]

Um dog. the F22 is an interceptor, its main role is air to air combat, the F35 is a multirole plane, this is actually common knowledge, as in, I could go to a bar, and ask a random stranger what the difference is, and even american joe would know this, the fact that you don't.....is quite alarming. meanwhile you're trying to school me on avionics Russian tech.


F-22


F35.

oh boy.


and yes, I know aircraft carriers have teams to defend them, that is kept in mind with ASBM. I can see now that you are not reading the links, so Im going to assume you're trolling now.

The f-22 =/= the f35 lol... their 2 completely different planes... you said they were the same plane. The F-22 is from the YF Program and the f35 is the JSF... 2 totally different jets how could you say they were the same plane


I didn't say that... you did... In no way is the f35 a version of the f-22... they are totally different aircraft.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

The f-22 =/= the f35 lol... their 2 completely different planes... you said they were the same plane. The F-22 is from the YF Program and the f35 is the JSF... 2 totally different jets how could you say they were the same plane


I didn't say that... you did... In no way is the f35 a version of the f-22... they are totally different aircraft.

No shyt, what I was saying was the F35 is replacing the F22. 'all combat version of the F22', in other words, taking the role of the F22, but is all combat capable.

You do know they scraped the F22 right? they are no longer making it. F35 will be replacing it.

 

[Broke Wave]

No shyt, what I was saying was the F35 is replacing the F22. 'all combat version of the F22', in other words, taking the role of the F22, but is all combat capable.

You do know they scraped the F22 right? they are no longer making it. F35 will be replacing it.

You should have said that the f35 is replacing the f-22 and not that the f22 and f35 were versions of each other, which is what you actually said..

I know that the f35 is gonna get raptorized and replace the raptor but untill that happens and the Raptors are phased out, they are the greatest fighters ever made and totally undetectable according to ACCEPTED FACTS as to what we know.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

You should have said that the f35 is replacing the f-22 and not that the f22 and f35 were versions of each other, which is what you actually said..

I know that the f35 is gonna get raptorized and replace the raptor but untill that happens and the Raptors are phased out, they are the greatest fighters ever made and totally undetectable according to ACCEPTED FACTS as to what we know.

From the creator of the F16

 

[Broke Wave]

From the creator of the F16

No evidence whatsoever. He was a co-designer for the f-16 and still is no expert in stealth tech. Lets get science involved friends. Can I get an objective link with some evidence, other than this arrogant bloated designer from the 70's talking about something that was obviously above his paygrade? Anything?

 

[Tommy Knocks]

No evidence whatsoever. He was a co-designer for the f-16 and still is no expert in stealth tech. Lets get science involved friends. Can I get an objective link with some evidence, other than this arrogant bloated designer from the 70's talking about something that was obviously above his paygrade? Anything?

Really man? really? A high-tech engineer/designer doesn't know what he's talking about? and he's been in the industry how long? Now you're just pulling breh.

The effectiveness of the stealth characteristics is difficult to gauge. The RCS value is a restrictive measurement of the aircraft's frontal or side area from the perspective of a static radar. When an aircraft maneuvers it exposes a completely different set of angles and surface area, potentially increasing visibility. Furthermore, stealth contouring and radar absorbent materials are chiefly effective against high-frequency radars, usually found on other aircraft. Low-frequency radars, employed by weather radars and ground warning stations, are alleged to be less affected by stealth technologies and are thus more capable as detection platforms

First off, no plane is completely invisible, you wont read any claim off the lockheed site that states that. second, its well known that it's stealth for high freq radar, however the russians have low freq radar because they never stopped making them...which is exactly what ol boy said.

also,

We know the F-22 is not invisible in the visible light wave range because we can see it.

Russian optics makers have been experimenting with Image Intensification scopes with small computers in them for processing the light for years. It seems they have found a way to separate natural light from artificial light, so an object that is painted or dyed with artificial colours can be made to glow... put that in the nose of a missile and it can be used to shoot down F-22s all day and night.

 

[Tommy Knocks]

The F22 was shot down in Syria. :rosslol:

The S-400 can take down F22s, easily, yes, I said easily. You might want to read up on that.


:rosslol1:

 

[Broke Wave]

Really man? really? A high-tech engineer/designer doesn't know what he's talking about? and he's been in the industry how long? Now you're just pulling breh.



First off, no plane is completely invisible, you wont read any claim off the lockheed site that states that. second, its well known that it's stealth for high freq radar, however the russians have low freq radar because they never stopped making them...which is exactly what ol boy said.

also,

We know the F-22 is not invisible in the visible light wave range because we can see it.

Russian optics makers have been experimenting with Image Intensification scopes with small computers in them for processing the light for years. It seems they have found a way to separate natural light from artificial light, so an object that is painted or dyed with artificial colours can be made to glow... put that in the nose of a missile and it can be used to shoot down F-22s all day and night.

Saying the f-22 isn't invisible to Low Frequency radar is not accurate because

1. we don't know for sure

2. akin to saying it isn't literally invisible to binocular detection.

They don't use low frequency radar anymore because it simply does not have the effective range in the world of super fast mach jets and missiles... by the time a low frequency detected a raptor it would have detected the heat seaking missile in it's grill as well.

Furthermore, the most important thing is not a single person knows what REALLY goes into America's stealth tech.

Nobody knows what REALLY happens with the raptor in flight in terms of stealth, not a single link can tell us really what the USAF is capable of in stealth because it is naturally a secret.

As far as accepted facts go, however, which is what we go off in order to have a reasonable discussion, the b2 and f-22 are too stealthy to be detected before it's utterly too late

 

[Tommy Knocks]

Saying the f-22 isn't invisible to Low Frequency radar is not accurate because

1. we don't know for sure

2. akin to saying it isn't literally invisible to binocular detection.

They don't use low frequency radar anymore because it simply does not have the effective range in the world of super fast mach jets and missiles... by the time a low frequency detected a raptor it would have detected the heat seaking missile in it's grill as well.

Furthermore, the most important thing is not a single person knows what REALLY goes into America's stealth tech.

Nobody knows what REALLY happens with the raptor in flight in terms of stealth, not a single link can tell us really what the USAF is capable of in stealth because it is naturally a secret.

As far as accepted facts go, however, which is what we go off in order to have a reasonable discussion, the b2 and f-22 are too stealthy to be detected before it's utterly too late

false. all false. and even if the plane itself managed go undetected.....

In a mock practice, the US found that F22s got destroyed, not by direct variables but Russia killed off the AWACS, JSTARS, Refuelers and then F22s ran out of weapons and fuel. It takes a lot to service the F22 and give it eyes. You must have massive AWACS shadowing it in order for them to see. Russia is a massive country, who have many missiles bases deep in Siberia, in order to conduct missions, you'd need to refuel over Russia.....good luck with that :mjlolz:

 

[Broke Wave]

false. all false. and even if the plane itself managed go undetected.....

In a mock practice, the US found that F22s got destroyed, not by direct variables but Russia killed off the AWACS, JSTARS, Refuelers and then F22s ran out of weapons and fuel. It takes a lot to service the F22 and give it eyes. You must have massive AWACS shadowing it in order for them to see. Russia is a massive country, who have many missiles bases deep in Siberia, in order to conduct missions, you'd need to refuel over Russia.....good luck with that :mjlolz:

Hypothetical world... lets go back to real world.... for one link that mock practice.

Finally, to end this. I need to see any objective source which indicates any of the following :

1. Russia's missile defenses are second to none, and in fact are a threat to American air superiority.

2. Stealth Tech is irrelevant -- WITH SCIENCE and FACTS please

3. Russia has a more capable military than Israel -- you guys seemed to find that one laughable but show me any evidence to support the contrary outside of sheer numbers. I'll let you proselytize here and give us your opinion, but tell us at least why this is laughable.

 

[Type Username Here]

I'm supposed to debate military avionics with you and you post this

Russia has the tech to shoot down a b-2 bomber? say word breh

What's that according to.... is that ... according to... RUSSIA

According to Russia they have X Y Z but according to reality they are a broke fascist plutocracy with a shytty ass military.

There is literally no evidence at all right now you can post in this thread that says that any radar on earth can detect American future stealth aircraft. Absolutely none except the Russian arms manufacturers trying to sell their useless shyt to idiot countries.

The funny part about "sinking a carrier" is that you keep sayin that like they just float alone... their surrounded by an ENTIRE CARRIER GROUP... that is designed to literally jump in front of the missile as it approaches, find out where it was launched from and deliver a incapacitating strike wherever it was launched. That's why Iran seems like a threat to sink a Carrier because they are close as hell with the sunburn in the gulf maybe SLIP it by the defenses. NOBODY sees russia's remote installations as a threat to sink a carrier, that literally has never been preposed by anyone. Before they could even open a hatch they would be turned off by a b-2. The Job of the b-2 is to turn off Radar and disrupt communications, they even drop EMP's along with cluster bombs.

@Type Username Here can vouch probably that I am the least gung ho war guy ever but this idea that a stationary missile launching from Russia could do any type of damage to the USAF is like... beyond absurd.


Don't get me wrong... it didn't always used to be like this... back in the day the f16 vs mig 29 was a serious debate... and the SU 27 vs the f-15 was some real shyt... but we're talking about advanced avionics and the best trained fighters in the world vs Russia... are we serious here brehs? Some missles from some bases in Siberia are going to destroy a fukking carrier? That would be literally the last thing that ever happend in a conflict between Russia and America.

The GREAT IRONY is that if any country has ever delivered ballistic missiles effectively, ever, it has been America

Russia didn't do it against the Afghans or even the Chechens (who exposed them for being the worst trained army ever)... but America sure as hell delivered that Tomahawk literally in the living room of Saddam Hussein

Like quite literally in his living room. Yet Russia has the expertise.

He doesn't understand that you have to train to get accuracy with weapons and that the targets have evasive maneuvers. He thinks in his mind the projectile will hit the moving targets every time.