Roman: Punk Wasn’t As Good Or Over As Cena, Didnt Move The Needle Like The Rock

[prophecypro]

What was on those jack swagger line ups dude is Lowkey one of the better drawling champions in company history.

probably on an undercard that had Cena as the main event or something, thats why those drawing champ stats post 1996 are hard to take serious
They had triple H as like the 3rd highest drawing champ ever ignoring he was making towns with The Rock in the main event.

 

[Max.]

AEW was able to sell out a show at the United Center, 2 weeks before a PPV in Chicago, when there were no matches announced in advance because it was hinted at Punk debuting. Punk isn't a draw who moves the needle? FOH.

 

[Cartier Murphy]

He’s right CM Punk came across as whiny and not wanting to do the promo shyt outside the arena

That’s why John Cena remained top guy for another 4-5 years after Punk’s rise in 2011 when he wanted to be the guy. Punk wanted the top spot without really wanting to put in all the outside work to keep it. Arguments about overness are valid for why he should’ve been in that spot, but that’s not totally the way that company operates and Punk didn’t wanna be a company guy so he never really got the machine behind him like that.

But there was no need to straight up dis Punk because the dude was asking about wrestlers coming and going. Rome straight out went at him in the opening lines.

If the interviewer just said, “your thoughts on CM Punk…” then I can see why Rome would respond the way he did. The question had nothing to do with who’s more over; it was about part-time comebacks.

People are shooting the messenger which I understand, but his point was that the part timer debate in wrestling is valid but that you should use it to your advantage instead of being bitter and complaining about what’s going on the way Punk did publicly. Punk’s name was brought up originally by Helwani and thus Roman used him as an example, especially since Punk was so vocal about part timers in the business back when The Rock made his return. For why he knocked him? Who knows, I’m sure it’s a bunch of different reasons. But Roman is a product solely of that same machine I mentioned earlier, so I expect him to speak like this.

 

[HoldThisL]

In no way can I actually believe CM Punk was a bigger draw than John Cena. Anyways Romans is probably working here, using timing and wrestling trends in order to heel. Tribal Chief stay grabbing people attention

 

[El Cocodrilo]

I was a big CM punk fan but rosenberg is on that shyt if he thinks punk was more over than The Rock at his peak. Now if he means Punk was more over when the two of them were going head to head I think you could make a case, and a lot of people are gonna think that its wild to say that but Punk was on FIRE from 2011 on.

 

[jackswstd]

See y’all in the thread tomorrow, you’ll be watching even if you don’t

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

What do you think Roman meant when talked about being over? What do you understand as being over? I think we are not seeing eye to eye because we have different answers to both of those questions.

Of course reaching a level of overness has to do with how your company treats you, those who overcome it are legit a handful. I'm not denying that at all. That doesn't mean a person is more over just because he got fukked by booking

You acting as if I said Punk was Dolph Ziggler or something

He mentioned bringing eyes to the product as a reason of being a worthwhile part timer so well go with that. He said he wasnt "as good or over as the Rock" Super true. I get that. Rock was a top guy during a boom period. Made part time possible. No argument there. Cena though, no. In Cena's era they were losing fans. It was slow and gradual but if Cena was really on the Rock level that wouldn't have happened.

Overness to me is about fan perception and longevity. Fans turned on Cena before WWE moved the goalposts with "the most polarizing WWE Superstar" schtick. Punk was never turned on. Sure Cena got an endless push and he was great for PR. Punk was not. But that doesnt make Punk less over, it makes him a moody a$$hole who cant deal with people long term.

If you are talking about who is the most suited to be a top guy in WWE then yes everything you said makes sense. But nothing you said backs up Roman's claim.

Low house show attendance or ratings isnt a measurement of overness with fans. Its interest in the overall product. The show isnt built off of one match. That kind of thinking is part of the reason WWE is in the shape its in now.

Company perception isnt a case of overness with fans. In fact it usually works against them.

Also lets not act like Dolph didnt get over multiple times.

 

[MightyHealthy]

Roman may never be the draw CM Punk was, and while this stunt smartly piggybacks off the hype for Rampage tonight, it only accentuates the puppetlike stooging behavior that will always keep Reigns from having a genuinely beloved status with fans.

Even in a career high note, finding a character and a voice fans get behind, Vince used him as a mouthpiece to remind us he is beholden to the machine that created him.

 

[Hypris]

I wouldn't even take it as an insult if I was Punk. Cena and Roman are about to headline WWE's largest show of the year and they're talking about Punk. It's SummerSlam weekend and Punk has stolen the show. It's actually a compliment that he's getting all this attention after being gone for so long.

 

[Peter Popoff]

Gotta put Punk over Cena.

 

[SpacelySprockets]

Roman may never be the draw CM Punk was, and while this stunt smartly piggybacks off the hype for Rampage tonight, it only accentuates the puppetlike stooging behavior that will always keep Reigns from having a genuinely beloved status with fans.

Even in a career high note, finding a character and a voice fans get behind, Vince used him as a mouthpiece to remind us he is beholden to the machine that created him.

"Puppet like stooging" is not the reason why he isn't beloved by the fans though. He doesn't even have a bunch of instances of that and he definitely got overhated before even getting to that position and CM Punk played a bigger part in that than anything, so Roman got every right to have smoke for him.

 

[Max.]

Punk is gona show up and fight a 145 pound emo skatebord kid wearing daisy dukes and that likes hurting himself

 

[mr.africa]

Agreed
I knew many casual wrestling watchers who knew shyt about the rock and cena during their runs. I became a casual wrestling watcher a few years before punk's run and I didn't know Jack about him till years later. Even this pipe bomb thing you guys make out to be this big thing, only die hard wrestling fans know about.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Listen... i'm not a big Punk fan but he's the whole reason why ESPN started covering WWE. WWE was aimless from 2007-2011. They went through a variety of attempts to be more mainstream and everything was failing..

The "Pipe Bomb" and "Summer of Punk" were a real thing .... a real mainstream movement. if it wasn't for Hunter sabotaging it could have been even bigger.

Now try to tell me i'm lying

 

[ExodusNirvana]

Y'all are on drugs

When has there EVER been a Roman Reigns chant??


Punk could never be as over as The Rock, and Punk was definitely more over than Cena