Roman: Punk Wasn’t As Good Or Over As Cena, Didnt Move The Needle Like The Rock

[Jmare007]

Theres a chart above that shows the house show attendance with each champion. Eddie Guerrero is dead last. By what you say that means Jinder Mahal was more over than Eddie Guerrero.

And the internet this minor figure had Punk as the second biggest merch seller behind Cena and at one point beating Cena. It sounds like you mean that Cena drew more money. Sure, kids (their parents) are the big spenders but Punk was A) Never featured the way Cena was even in his LONG title reign (Cena was still main event most times for that) and B) Never supposed to see a true main event spot. The fact that he did is because of how over he was.

I know Roman is gonna tow the company line especially with Punk going to AEW but there has always been this silly narrative to belittle Punk's time and influence on the business. Probably because he is an a$$hole. But you really cant deny the man. He was high level throughout his time there

That's not what I'm saying at all.

It's like when it comes to Punk no one can say shyt about him because people get so fukking defensive. He was compared to the n°2 or 3 in company history (Rock) and the n°4 or 5 guy (Cena). Punk is not on that level. And I'm not talking about making money, I'm talking about being over, about getting a fukking reaction from the crowd.

People lost their shyt with Cena for years. Whether it was young people, women and parents loving him, or the rest booing him (out of hatred to the company, to him or later just to play along, mostly), he got a huge reaction every damn show and house show. Being over is not just getting cheered. If that was the case then no popular heel has ever been over big.

Punk wasn't on that level, nobody was during a 5-7 year period, let alone for the amount of time Cena was.

Saying Punk was not as over as Cena is not news. Denying that is legit mind blowing to me. That doesn't mean Punk wasn't very fukking popular, influential and became a legit star in spite of the company he worked for.

 

[MenacingMonk]

Watch the video? The guy brought Punk up in the question. All Roman did was answer it.

What exactly did he ask though? “Was Punk over?” “How do you feel about Punk possibly returning?”

edit: caught the question. Didn’t even have to do with Punk being over or not. The dude just asked what Rome thought about these wrestlers who leave and come back. Dude didn’t have to throw shots about Punk. Not saying what he said isn’t true, but there was no need to diss dude over a question unrelated to being over.

 

[CBoz]

What exactly did he ask though? “Was Punk over?” “How do you feel about Punk possibly returning?”

edit: caught the question. Didn’t even have to do with Punk being over or not. The dude just asked what Rome thought about these wrestlers who leave and come back. Dude didn’t have to throw shots about Punk. Not saying what he said isn’t true, but there was no need to diss dude over a question unrelated to being over.

Punk's name was in the question/conversation. If dude doesn't mention Punk I doubt Roman does too.

He likely went with Punk because the guy tossed his name in there.

 

[Premeditated]

Actually Hunter was. i like HHH but he could never live up to the highs of Austin and Rock. HHH at the top and ratings fell

I wanted to argue against this so bad, but I don't have a retort. this is true. channels did first start changing during Evolution dominance

 

[Jmare007]

What exactly did he ask though? “Was Punk over?” “How do you feel about Punk possibly returning?”

edit: caught the question. Didn’t even have to do with Punk being over or not. The dude just asked what Rome thought about these wrestlers who leave and come back. Dude didn’t have to throw shots about Punk. Not saying what he said isn’t true, but there was no need to diss dude over a question unrelated to being over.

Helwani asks Roman his take on stars from the past coming back part time for big shows and literally mentions Punk feeling some type of way when he was a full time performer (when he complained about Rock). Makes sense to me Roman mentions Punk, Rock and Cena as part of the answer. Plus it's a perfect spot for him to toe the company line

 

[Notorious 1 E.Y.E.]

lmao wwe panicking bout the cm punk/aew news

 

[John Reena]

nikkaz in they feelings cuz everybody not slurping up AEW & CM Punk

 

[MenacingMonk]

Punk's name was in the question/conversation. If dude doesn't mention Punk I doubt Roman does too.

He likely went with Punk because the guy tossed his name in there.

But there was no need to straight up dis Punk because the dude was asking about wrestlers coming and going. Rome straight out went at him in the opening lines.

If the interviewer just said, “your thoughts on CM Punk…” then I can see why Rome would respond the way he did. The question had nothing to do with who’s more over; it was about part-time comebacks.

 

[prophecypro]

 

[Beautiful Bobby Eatin]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

It's like when it comes to Punk no one can say shyt about him because people get so fukking defensive. He was compared to the n°2 or 3 in company history (Rock) and the n°4 or 5 guy (Cena). Punk is not on that level. And I'm not talking about making money, I'm talking about being over, about getting a fukking reaction from the crowd.

People lost their shyt with Cena for years. Whether it was young people, women and parents loving him, or the rest booing him (out of hatred to the company, to him or later just to play along, mostly), he got a huge reaction every damn show and house show. Being over is not just getting cheered. If that was the case then no popular heel has ever been over big.

Punk wasn't on that level, nobody was during a 5-7 year period, let alone for the amount of time Cena was.

Saying Punk was not as over as Cena is not news. Denying that is legit mind blowing to me. That doesn't mean Punk wasn't very fukking popular, influential and became a legit star in spite of the company he worked for.

Yall really equate company promotion and hype to overness. Being favored by company brass does not make you more over but it does put you in a position to make more money for yourself and the company Cena got that opportunity, Punk not so much. But the fact that 7 and a half years later fans STILL want to see him back and you dont think he's on par with at the very least a guy who was rejected by a large portion of the fans for a full decade, youre either blind or lying through your teeth. This aint about being defensive its about being objective.

 

[AKM-95]

lower than Eddie?

What was on those jack swagger line ups dude is Lowkey one of the better drawling champions in company history.

 

[KFBF]

Romans right and instead of acknowledging that people want to engage in whataboutism.

Never understood the Punk fascination. Don't get how he got run with the best in the world shyt that was Bryans

 

[Jmare007]

Yall really equate company promotion and hype to overness. Being favored by company brass does not make you more over but it does put you in a position to make more money for yourself and the company Cena got that opportunity, Punk not so much. But the fact that 7 and a half years later fans STILL want to see him back and you dont think he's on par with at the very least a guy who was rejected by a large portion of the fans for a full decade, youre either blind or lying through your teeth. This aint about being defensive its about being objective.

What do you think Roman meant when talked about being over? What do you understand as being over? I think we are not seeing eye to eye because we have different answers to both of those questions.

Of course reaching a level of overness has to do with how your company treats you, those who overcome it are legit a handful. I'm not denying that at all. That doesn't mean a person is more over just because he got fukked by booking

You acting as if I said Punk was Dolph Ziggler or something

 

[Silkk]

lower than Eddie?

Where is Shawn Michaels' last WWF title run at from 97-98. I would think it would be near Austin's first but is conveniently missing...

 

[Chris Cool]

Was definitely more over than Cena.