Rollin in this 64 (years) w/ kneecaps & draft picks on deck: The 2021 Detroit Lions Official Thread

[winb83]

I'm resigned to the fact that if the rams win the super bowl, he's going to the hall of fame. I think he's going to go as a ram too as he will have better success overall as a ram than he will a Lion.

Rob is literally saying everything that I've ever said though.

He was a good QB drafted by the wrong team. The Lions could have done worse but they needed better. His legacy will benefit from all of that because after all those years he was literally placed into a position most NFL QBs could only dream of and a Super Bowl team was dropped in his lap. He has a high chance of winning a Super Bowl and going into the hall of fame with negative parts of his Detroit tenure being wiped clean but Lions fans know the truth. Nobody else will ever believe them though.

Hey it could have been worse. At least he wasn't Joey Harrington.

 

[manyfaces]

Honestly, IDGAF what happens to Stafford beyond how it impacts the Lions draft pick. I don't care if he gets the super bowl MVP. He's the same player I thought he was since the Caldwell years. In fact I'm rooting for him to win. The negative publicity the Lions org will get from that may be just the kind of publicity needed for Sheila to actually give a fukk, unlike her parents.

 

[Piff Perkins]

I'm all in rooting for Stafford. Get it done breh. I'm not clicking any Rob Parker content but show me Burrow playing with an all-time bad defense for years, no offense depth, no run game and then tell me he'd beat Rodgers/Adrian Peterson Vikings/Bears defense. Stop it...

 

[Piff Perkins]

 

[winb83]

I'm all in rooting for Stafford. Get it done breh. I'm not clicking any Rob Parker content but show me Burrow playing with an all-time bad defense for years, no offense depth, no run game and then tell me he'd beat Rodgers/Adrian Peterson Vikings/Bears defense. Stop it...

So you're saying Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate Ndamukong Suh, Darius Slay, Kyle Van Noy, Reggie Bush, Ezekiel Ansah, and Glover Quin were a trash squad? You're saying the #2 total defense in the NFL that year giving up 300 total yards a game and 69 rushing yards with just 17 points is trash?

Joe Burrow has the 18th total ranked defense in the league. In 1 full year of starting he took that to the Super Bowl. Beat the #1 and #2 seed in the playoffs.

 

[Piff Perkins]

So you're saying Calvin Johnson, Golden Tate Ndamukong Suh, Darius Slay, Kyle Van Noy, Reggie Bush, Ezekiel Ansah, and Glover Quin were a trash squad? You're saying the #2 total defense in the NFL that year giving up 300 total yards a game and 69 rushing yards with just 17 points is trash?

Joe Burrow has the 18th total ranked defense in the league. In 1 full year of starting he took that to the Super Bowl. Beat the #1 and #2 seed in the playoffs.

I don't think they were trash. That Lions defense was very good...but the depth was terrible outside of the d-line. The offense's depth was bad. The o-line was questionable. Rushing was under 4 yards a carry, and the TALENT at RB wasn't good (Bell and an older Bush...). We can go player for player on the roster and the Bengals win out.

The bigger problem is this. How many good Lions teams did Stafford have? 2014. Yes. 2011, when we had a top 5 offense and a bottom ten defense? With no rushing game? I'm not calling that a good team, despite the record. And then after winning 11 games what did the FO do? A draft where we hit on 2 of 8 picks (Riley Reiff and Tahir Whitehead). Rest of the picks played four years or less in the league. What about the year after 2014, when we had a chance to build on a good team and replace Suh? 1 of 7 (Diggs). First round pick Laken Tominson has actually played solid for the Niners since he left here but in Detroit he was forgettable in LARGE part thanks to a terrible o-line coach, courtesy of Caldwell (Ron Prince).

Year after year, this team tanked the draft and wasted money in FA with questionable signings. The roster constantly sunk. And I'm supposed to think Stafford should have elevated this? Yea MAYBE Aaron Rodgers could have done it. But if your organization can only operate with a top 2 QB, something is wrong.

ONE GOOD TEAM. Wild card L. Second good team? Rams this year. Super Bowl. End of story.

 

[iceberg_is_on_fire]

Honestly, IDGAF what happens to Stafford beyond how it impacts the Lions draft pick. I don't care if he gets the super bowl MVP. He's the same player I thought he was since the Caldwell years. In fact I'm rooting for him to win. The negative publicity the Lions org will get from that may be just the kind of publicity needed for Sheila to actually give a fukk, unlike her parents.

Breh, they just laugh to the bank. They are insulated from it. We will all die with the Fords still owning the Lions. We still do clown shyt like keep the WCF on the jersey. That isn't for us, that's for them. He was a horrible owner but they either don't know or don't care.

 

[winb83]

I don't think they were trash. That Lions defense was very good...but the depth was terrible outside of the d-line. The offense's depth was bad. The o-line was questionable. Rushing was under 4 yards a carry, and the TALENT at RB wasn't good (Bell and an older Bush...). We can go player for player on the roster and the Bengals win out.

The bigger problem is this. How many good Lions teams did Stafford have? 2014. Yes. 2011, when we had a top 5 offense and a bottom ten defense? With no rushing game? I'm not calling that a good team, despite the record. And then after winning 11 games what did the FO do? A draft where we hit on 2 of 8 picks (Riley Reiff and Tahir Whitehead). Rest of the picks played four years or less in the league. What about the year after 2014, when we had a chance to build on a good team and replace Suh? 1 of 7 (Diggs). First round pick Laken Tominson has actually played solid for the Niners since he left here but in Detroit he was forgettable in LARGE part thanks to a terrible o-line coach, courtesy of Caldwell (Ron Prince).

Year after year, this team tanked the draft and wasted money in FA with questionable signings. The roster constantly sunk. And I'm supposed to think Stafford should have elevated this? Yea MAYBE Aaron Rodgers could have done it. But if your organization can only operate with a top 2 QB, something is wrong.

Is your argument that one of those things makes the other not true? My argument is the Lions are a terrible organization and Stafford contributed to their results. The general consensus will be that he was blameless and it was all on the Lions.

 

[Piff Perkins]

Is your argument that one of those things makes the other not true? My argument is the Lions are a terrible organization and Stafford contributed to their results. The general consensus will be that he was blameless and it was all on the Lions.

My argument is that the Lions are a historically bad organization and no QB would have elevated them to the promised land. Stafford deserves some blame and certainly had opportunities to make things happen, but when you consider how his hands were tied by things outside his control (no run game, multiple historically bad defenses, no depth, lack of offensive weapons early on, etc) I can't possibly give Stafford more than 20% of the blame. 80% is on the Lions.

Again, he's had two teams I'd consider good. In his entire career. One lost a controversial wild card game at Dallas. The other is going to the Super Bowl. That's an indictment on this piss poor organization that will be burned into eternity if Stafford wins the chip in a couple weeks.

 

[winb83]

The one thing I don't miss about Matt Stafford is Kelly Stafford. There was always articles about her saying shyt in my feed. Haven't heard a peep out of whoever Jarad Goff is with.

 

[djthegreat88]

QBs always rise. Willis or Picket will be top 5 picks.

While i still prefer pass rusher but wouldn’t hate drafting Willis. Willis could be come into perfect situation on Lions. Gets to sit behind Goff for a year. Elite oline. Quality rb stable. Hopefully revamped wr core. Can’t teach his arm strength, speed/athleticism/elusiveness

 

[Piff Perkins]

No interest in drafting a mobile QB who can’t run an NFL offense. Maybe I’d be receptive if he at least played in a decent conference. Liberty? Come on.

Take Thibs or Hutchinson. Hell I’m not even sure I’d take a QB with our second 1st round pick.

 

[djthegreat88]

No interest in drafting a mobile QB who can’t run an NFL offense. Maybe I’d be receptive if he at least played in a decent conference. Liberty? Come on.

Take Thibs or Hutchinson. Hell I’m not even sure I’d take a QB with our second 1st round pick.

Go tell that to Buffalo. Josh Allen is a monster. We’ll see what Lance does next year.

Willis was an Auburn recruit that transferred because of Bo Nix favoritism

 

[manyfaces]

Go tell that to Buffalo. Josh Allen is a monster. We’ll see what Lance does next year.

Willis was an Auburn recruit that transferred because of Bo Nix favoritism

Didn't know that part

 

[Piff Perkins]

So the guy who was allegedly so bad at his job that a first year coach with zero play calling experience felt he had to take his play calling rights...is now likely gonna end up being the OC for offensive genius Kyle Shannahan.

Campbell ended the year well, can't deny it. But I will never be cool with how Lynn was turned into the scapegoat for an offense that didn't have a serviceable WR (at the time), was missing key o-line pieces (at the time), and had a questionable QB.