Yes, it's both sanctions and his fukkshyt -in no way am I absolving the West -but he is very complicit in Zimbabwe's destruction.
Robert Mugabe outchea.
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Yes, it's both sanctions and his fukkshyt -in no way am I absolving the West -but he is very complicit in Zimbabwe's destruction.
Tommy Knocks
retired
Im just saying, he didnt really have much to work with, if the intl community (via influence from the west) decides not to fukk with you and you can't even get computers or car parts sent to your country, whats a nikka to do?
Red Shield
Global Domination
Zimbabwe didn't get hit with sanctions until the early 2000s. Mugabe had 20years to prepare, get his people educated, train his people as farmers, etc.. Without a doubt, it would have not been easy. But Zimbabwe would have been in a better position, when they started reclaiming land.
But dude wasn't/isn't some pro-black leader, so he wouldn't have given a shyt about what his people wanted/were going to do.
Lucky_Lefty
Dreams Are Colder Than Death...
shyt. In what corners of the globe not named Zimbabwe or this region?
He can't hate CAC too much. Read that Intel report that leaked about a month ago
Tommy Knocks
retired
correct thats around the time he booted the white farmers but prior to that....
see a trend here?
Red Shield
Global Domination
Most black people in Africa and in the diaspora don't know about his fukkboyness. They will just hear "OH Mugabe hates the whites/west, gave his people back their land, the evil whites sanctioned him, etc." All the stuff that makes him sound real good as a black leader.
The Intel report about the CIA torture sites or is there some new Intel report? Of course he doesn't hate white people, that shyt is just an act. Didn't he say was more British than the British awhile back lol
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
Who cares about CIA torture sites? That just means the USA offered something in exchange for Mugabe opening up his country for torture.
DreadBrown
Feed the children
@Northern Son dropping knowledge in here.We in the diaspora need to stop getting weak in the knees when we see 'black' leaders. Politicians are generally dirty what ever their race.
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
It was in the early 2000s he did land reform. Mugabe did not think he would have an issue with land reform until the British reneged on the contract, which occurred in the LATE 90s. There are indeed blacks in Zimbabwe who can farm; it is not Mugabe's mission to train everybody, they can do that themselves. He just opened up the land to them, which he had every right to do. In fact, even if nobody took the land, cacs have no right to claim anything.
In earnest, Mugabe is indeed a pro-black leader. He literally kicked out the white colonialists and lent the land back to the people for whatever they want to do with it. If the economy falters, so be it. Economies are cyclical and capricious anyway. National sovereignty is forever.
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godkiller
"We are the Fury"
@Blackking
You are right, breh.
No, you hate Mugabe because you are a c00n and/or an idiot. You should elaborate on how Mugabe "ran a good economy in the ground", because as far as I can tell, the economy isn't doing as well because there is less business and less produce, which are two functions of white sanctions and white reprisal for land reform. Is Mugabe a saint? No, but his tyranny doesn't supersede the good he's done. Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner; does that supersede the fact he fought for his nation's freedom?
Mubarak in Egypt marshalled a good economy and did the same things Mugabe did. But you and the cacs didn't make him an enemy in the 90s and early 2000s. He could murder as many Egyptian foes as he liked, so long as he did the bidding of the Europeans and Americans. The same went for Mugabe. Cacs only started having problems with Mugabe when he started land reform, which ended white face colonialism and resulted in their deaths. Every other fukking thing they say otherwise is a lie and an excuse.
We in the diaspora need to stop getting weak in the knees when we see 'black' leaders. Politicians are generally dirty what ever their race.
What knowledge did @Northern Son drop here? That Mugabe isn't perfect? Neither was Mubarak, yet the West supported him throughout the 90s and 2000s, with the only qualitative difference between the two being that Mugabe killed whites.
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The Nigerian
The Realest Member of TheColi
godkiller
"We are the Fury"
These morons anti-Mugabe cacs and c00ns are always like, "B-b-buh look at the economy?"
So fukking what?
When the South lost their African American slaves, their slave-based agriculture economy SUFFERED. They had to start paying people for actual work and their cotton wares raised in price because of it. Their monopoly over resource industries disappeared overnight. Should Lincoln have never fought to free African American slaves b/c the South suffered for it?
I think he was right to free the slaves, same as Mugabe was right to kill them cacs and redistribute his land. "B-b-buh economy, what about the slave economy?"
@Northern Son
So fukking what?
When the South lost their African American slaves, their slave-based agriculture economy SUFFERED. They had to start paying people for actual work and their cotton wares raised in price because of it. Their monopoly over resource industries disappeared overnight. Should Lincoln have never fought to free African American slaves b/c the South suffered for it?
I think he was right to free the slaves, same as Mugabe was right to kill them cacs and redistribute his land. "B-b-buh economy, what about the slave economy?"
@Northern Son
Red Shield
Global Domination
Land reform started in the late 90s, Zimbabweans started invading farms. Mugabe was able to hold that off until the early 2000s. Then he helped it to go threw when the white farmers were going to replace him. Replace his party/him with MDC/Tsvangirai. He didn't do it because he wanted to, but to save his own ass.
Dude killed thousands of blacks in the gukurahundi and constantly takes money out of the country. So nah man, he isn't pro-black.
skokiaan
African original
Mugabe sold his soul to the devil for that presidency. The people wanted Joshua nkomo, but his policies were about getting cacs to share the new zimbabwe which obviously wasn't what the cacs wanted. It was wasn't about land grabbing like what happened under Mugabe but it was..I will say this again..everyone in Zimbabwe to have equal opportunities.
Mugabe agreed with what cacs wanted, and remember he wasn't even the one who was gon be in power..There was two another nikkas above him but as someone clever he managed to get one of the nikkas murked like he always does to any threat for him to be second in line. Top guy was just a prime minister (canaan banana) whose rep was later destroyed by this black leader. Since his soul already belonged to the devil, he had to do right by them and let them flourish with no problems for the next 20+ years.
see the devil is clever, as long as he is getting his..There are no problems. The devil knew what was coming and started slowly to migrate to other countries ie Zambia, Mozambique, South Africa and overseas.
when the people of zimbabwe started whispering, this man got a re - writing of the constitution where he would have power and incase he was dethroned would not be put on trial for corruption. ....but then it was too late, the people had woken and seen enough, workers unions helped ignite that fire in zimbabweans and so people voted against the new constitution.
After losing this vote, confidence was low, across the country people started shouting, they weren't whispering anymore..They started reminding him of the genocide and crimes he committed against his own people (and the ndebele who were always pro - Joshua nkomo). In football stadiums people started singing liberation songs (same songs sung against cac rule before independence) and yes the general election was about a year away..opposition parties gained momentum (ZUM and MDC)...The man was gon lose his power, he was gon lose his wealth and was facing a possible trial for corruption and murder etc..His masters were losing faith in him and the country once dubbed "the bread busket of africa" was in debt, and his own people had turned against him..workers were going on strike and people losing their jobs. What else could he do with an election a few months away?
Yep he manipulated his own people into believing he was trying to do good buy giving all war veterans 50 000 dollars each with some getting more depending on their rank in the army, this was a lot of money back then..I think zim dollar against the British sterling was 1 pound sterling: 8 zim dollars so that was a lot of money for a country going downhill.not that paying these people was wrong, they fought for the peoples freedom but the timing wasn't right..could have been done withing 10 years of getting the country back. So after all these payments to gain an extra vote war veterans and dumb youths were given a go ahead to violently take land without being given deeds for said land or without and support of how to handle this land etc so a further fortune was lost in export etc...I'm tired now..elections came and he won. People still have to land and are worse than before, agriculture is dead. There is a reason cacs love zimbabwe, it's a rich country in the wrong of corrupt people drunk with power.
Mugabe agreed with what cacs wanted, and remember he wasn't even the one who was gon be in power..There was two another nikkas above him but as someone clever he managed to get one of the nikkas murked like he always does to any threat for him to be second in line. Top guy was just a prime minister (canaan banana) whose rep was later destroyed by this black leader. Since his soul already belonged to the devil, he had to do right by them and let them flourish with no problems for the next 20+ years.
see the devil is clever, as long as he is getting his..There are no problems. The devil knew what was coming and started slowly to migrate to other countries ie Zambia, Mozambique, South Africa and overseas.
when the people of zimbabwe started whispering, this man got a re - writing of the constitution where he would have power and incase he was dethroned would not be put on trial for corruption. ....but then it was too late, the people had woken and seen enough, workers unions helped ignite that fire in zimbabweans and so people voted against the new constitution.
After losing this vote, confidence was low, across the country people started shouting, they weren't whispering anymore..They started reminding him of the genocide and crimes he committed against his own people (and the ndebele who were always pro - Joshua nkomo). In football stadiums people started singing liberation songs (same songs sung against cac rule before independence) and yes the general election was about a year away..opposition parties gained momentum (ZUM and MDC)...The man was gon lose his power, he was gon lose his wealth and was facing a possible trial for corruption and murder etc..His masters were losing faith in him and the country once dubbed "the bread busket of africa" was in debt, and his own people had turned against him..workers were going on strike and people losing their jobs. What else could he do with an election a few months away?
Yep he manipulated his own people into believing he was trying to do good buy giving all war veterans 50 000 dollars each with some getting more depending on their rank in the army, this was a lot of money back then..I think zim dollar against the British sterling was 1 pound sterling: 8 zim dollars so that was a lot of money for a country going downhill.not that paying these people was wrong, they fought for the peoples freedom but the timing wasn't right..could have been done withing 10 years of getting the country back. So after all these payments to gain an extra vote war veterans and dumb youths were given a go ahead to violently take land without being given deeds for said land or without and support of how to handle this land etc so a further fortune was lost in export etc...I'm tired now..elections came and he won. People still have to land and are worse than before, agriculture is dead. There is a reason cacs love zimbabwe, it's a rich country in the wrong of corrupt people drunk with power.