Robert Garcia says "Floyd is the greatest fighter of all time"

[Champ_KW]

And so do all the other ATGs breh. So what is the point of bringing up SKILL SET WHEN WE ARE DISCUSSING THE LEGENDS OF BOXING. ALL OF THEM ARE VERY SKILLED WHICH IS WHY THEY ARE ALL TIME GREATS IN THE FIRST PLACE


The ONLY way to breakdown the ATGs and HOFers is by resume. Not "skills". They are all the best of the best.

My G, you clearly jumped into a discussion me and someone else was having in mid stream. The skill set point is directed to people hiding behind the "how many HOF opponents he have" argument. These cats like Greb who get propped up for having all these HOF opponents don't match up with Floyd skill wise. At some point, the person's ability to BOX should account for something. People in here dismissing Floyd even though his skills are arguably the best in history PLUS he has the resume to back it up. And for you to say the ONLY way to breakdown ATG and HOF'ers is resume and not skills is a slap in the face to the guys out there boxing. I take the HOF argument with a grain of salt, cause even in the HOF there are levels to the guys who are in there. As I stated before, Arturo Gatti is in the HOF. He doesn't automatically get the same reverence as Ali just cause they're both famers. So for all the cats that love to reach back and talk up a fighter from the 1920's, I just want to know what level of famer does Greb have on his resume? A bunch of Gatti's or a bunch of Ali's? And since that is a fair question to ask, you must insert some context into the argument instead of hiding behind blanket statements like "he has more HOF opponents". I stated before when talking to the other dude, if you don't think Floyd is the GOAT, cool....but to completely dismiss a man who has been a world champion since 1998, 28 title fights, lineal champion in 4 weight classes, champ in 5 weight classes, 10 time champ, and undefeated at least until he's 37 years old in 46 fights (all but 3 ending in KO or UD) as someone who isn't in the discussion does the sport a disservice.

 

[blackzeus]

Show me any of my posts where I said the word "strictly". I explicitly said skill set and resume wise, Floyd is in the conversation. I got cats in here propping up Greb on the sheer basis of his resume knowing damn well they wouldn't bet a dime on Greb in a fight with Floyd based on Floyd's superior skill set. Nobody on here seems to stay within the realm of context when talking boxing.

Look Money May, I feel you defending your track record, we love you man, you the best P4P right now, ain't nobody arguing with you on that. I just don't think your point-scoring azz would be ready for the all out war type boxer that existed back in the day. You can barely manage Maidana and you think you'd handle "hands of stone"?

 

[TheProfessor]

Look Money May, I feel you defending your track record, we love you man, you the best P4P right now, ain't nobody arguing with you on that. I just don't think your point-scoring azz would be ready for the all out war type boxer that existed back in the day. You can barely manage Maidana and you think you'd handle "hands of stone"?

He's 38 though. And clearly on his last legs. Not a good barometer of skills. That said...at 135, Duran handles Floyd.

 

[blackzeus]

What exactly is having trouble? Was he knocked down like Ali against Chuck Wepner? Did he actually lose to the guy coming up in weight like SRL did to Duran? Did he have more trouble than SRR did against Denny Moyer? Surely they can't be in the GOAT conversation....

Ali and SRL weren't carefully picking their opponents either.

 

[Champ_KW]

Yes, but win's against what quality of competition. That's the point breh

Quality of competition?? As if every single one of SRR opponents were "world beaters". Floyd has outside of Mosely (didn't wanna pay santioning fees), JMM, and two fights around the Chop Chop Corley fight that were "eliminator" fights, has fought for or defended a title. So if fighting a champ or a top 5 divisional foe is poor quality of opponents, then I don't know what good quality is.

 

[krackdagawd]

We all don't age the same. I think it's impressive what Hops is doing at 49 but I don't think his opposition is impressive.

And I'm not that impressed with Maidana either. A younger Floyd flattens him. Again, we all don't age the same. Ray Leonard was done at 33 but that doesn't drop him off the list.

Also, Hopkins hasn't beaten Stevenson yet but if he does that's a pretty good win. Until then, no, I don't even consider it.

No one is speaking on the right now. What I and many others have said is that if Bhop gets by and Kovalev and Floyd goes without fighting Manny, we have no issue putting BHop ahead of him. Hell even if the Manny fight happens shyt might be "too little too late" status.

It's funny because the run that put Floyd into the 20-25 ATG happened from 98-04.

Guess what fighter had a better run during that period?

 

[TheProfessor]

Ali and SRL weren't carefully picking their opponents either.

Leonard did. So did Robinson. Everyone does to an extent. Except Ali the GOAT

 

[Champ_KW]

Ali and SRL weren't carefully picking their opponents either.

That's your response for Ali getting dropped by Chuck Wepner??

 

[krackdagawd]

Look Money May, I feel you defending your track record, we love you man, you the best P4P right now, ain't nobody arguing with you on that. I just don't think your point-scoring azz would be ready for the all out war type boxer that existed back in the day. You can barely manage Maidana and you think you'd handle "hands of stone"?

fun fact, Roger Mayweather said Duran eats up Floyd Jr

 

[TheProfessor]

No one is speaking on the right now. What I and many others have said is that if Bhop gets by and Kovalev and Floyd goes without fighting Manny, we have no issue putting BHop ahead of him. Hell even if the Manny fight happens shyt might be "too little too late" status.

It's funny because the run that put Floyd into the 20-25 ATG happened from 98-04.

Guess what fighter had a better run during that period?

Nah, I put Floyd into the top 25 because of what he did from 98-now. I liked the Canelo win. I liked the Marquez win. Mosley. All fine wins.

Anyway, I hear you on Hopkins. If he beats those two decisively, he is the best of this era.

 

[Champ_KW]

Hypothetical matchups dont matter and mean nothing.

I can say the EXACT same for Floyd. He was great for HIS era....but he'd get beat quite easy in Greb's era.

Greb fought in the era of boxers having 4, 5, or 6 fights in 1 single month alone whereas today, in THIS era, Floyd has the luxury of only fighting twice a year

There goes that extra credit for fighting a bunch of times. Unless you think there were 5 to 6 world champs walking around each month, you gotta admit there are a bunch of cab drivers on his resume.

 

[krackdagawd]

Nah, I put Floyd into the top 25 because of what he did from 98-now.

Nothing wrong with that but the general consensus is that "Pretty Boy" >>>>>>>"Money May"

 

[TheProfessor]

Nothing wrong with that but the general consensus is that "Pretty Boy" >>>>>>>"Money May"

I don't know why. It's so dumb. I remember when everyone said Floyd was scared to fight Mosley. RA the Rugged Man calling him out. Everyone. Even Manny said he should fight Mosley. Arum and Roach saying he ducking. Skip. Fans. Soon as he fought him...Mosley was old and shot. Like Floyd was supposed to know that beforehand. It's all BS.

 

[krackdagawd]

I don't know why. It's so dumb. I remember when everyone Floyd was scared to fight Mosley. RA the Rugged Man calling him out. Everyone. Even Manny said he should fight Mosley. Arum and Roach saying he ducking. Skip. Fans. Soon as he fought him...Mosley was old and shot. Like Floyd was supposed to know that beforehand. It's all BS.

At the time when nikkas were clamoring for the fight Mosley said he had a tooth ache or some shyt but yeah Mosley was by the time they did fight. Not Floyd's fault.

 

[TheProfessor]

At the time when nikkas were clamoring for the fight Mosley said he had a tooth ache or some shyt but yeah Mosley was by the time they did fight. Not Floyd's fault.

Yeah I remember Mosley saying he had a toothache. He wasn't trying to fight Floyd. But anyway, when Floyd fought him he couldn't have known that Mosley would be a step or so slower. All we knew was that Mosley was a rejuvenated beast who neither Floyd nor Pacquiao was trying to fight. Keep in mind that when Floyd fought Mosley he had had one fight in three years and that was against a lightweight. I give him credit because he took him on at a time when no one thought he would. But that's the nature of the business. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.