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Art and philosophy are cool experiences and all...but unless you're going to get your doctorate, is cost/reward worth it? I mean I'd love to take a class on the history of the NFL but....

20-30 years ago you could graduate with a bullshyt degree and go work in finance. It's just gotten way more competitive now.

:laugh: A history class on proffessional sports would be :wow:

But to answer your question, it is not worth taking out that loan for a history or arts degree....

I think PartyHeart already expressed my sentiment for the most part. There should be some type of cost of tuition adjustment for curriculum that offer very little financial reward in the current economy.....But you'll never see colleges do that, because they would be losing money hand over fist because the majority of paying college students are not majoring in STEM\Pre-Law\Pre-Med
 

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The problem is it's not just getting 'nonsense' degrees. It's the fact that the system is utterly messed up and the cost of college rapidly outpaces returns in most cases, and yes, that's including the nice degrees as well. Everyone simply cannot be an accountant, engineer, doctor or lawyer unless you want to see those industries flooded with competition, thus lowering job availability and exerting a heavy downward spiral on wages. The problem is we have too many degrees out there in a time where the biggest companies are doing their best to ship jobs overseas. Kids better start learning some sort of entrepreneurial skill or they will be eaten alive by the govglomeration... corporations and government working hand in hand in one merged entity to continually transfer wealth from the lower classes to the elites.
 

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The problem is it's not just getting 'nonsense' degrees. It's the fact that the system is utterly messed up and the cost of college rapidly outpaces returns in most cases, and yes, that's including the nice degrees as well. Everyone simply cannot be an accountant, engineer, doctor or lawyer unless you want to see those industries flooded with competition, thus lowering job availability and exerting a heavy downward spiral on wages. The problem is we have too many degrees out there in a time where the biggest companies are doing their best to ship jobs overseas. Kids better start learning some sort of entrepreneurial skill or they will be eaten alive by the govglomeration... corporations and government working hand in hand in one merged entity to continually transfer wealth from the lower classes to the elites.
If this was the case minimum wages would be non existent and corporate taxes would be the lowest in the world. Regulation wouldn't exist etc. etc.

In fact the reason jobs leave our shores is specifically government... :scusthov:
 

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Is that school Cornell? :mjpls:

Hobart and William Smith...apparently its one of the best liberal arts colleges in the country, and they gave her the most tuition assistance of any school...but its out of state...:beli:and its liberal arts...:comeon: 44k a year:beli::why::whoo::wtb::merchant::what:

I graduated high school in 1996 before the tuition got so outrageous. I made sure I graduated in 4 years. no extra semesters or anything. and I took some classes at the community college over the summer to save money. I still had loans. but not astronomical loans. I got a partial scholarship due to the internship I got, and my parents helped, and I ended up with like 10K in student loans total. of course this was 13 years ago when I graduated, but I was able to pay them off. I told myself, I'd never go back to school cuz the cost of education is just ridiculous for what you get in return it seems.

also when I went to college, I knew the day I stepped on campus what I wanted to major in, so I didn't have to bullshyt and figure out what I wanted to do. I was lucky that I had a clear goal in mind.

See you did right, 10k is nothin to shake a stick at, but its a realistic amount to pay for school...and more props to you for selecting your major before you went in. I tell everyone i got a BS in BS...i was one of the few lucky people that i know graduated and are doing half way decent...considering i graduated in 07 in the middle of shyttiest job market in 80 years, but thats not before busting my ass in the complete opposite direction of what i studied.

Granted had i busted my ass just as hard and was open to moving after i graduated, id probably be in a similar position in my field of study. But id wish on no one the route i took...i worked 3 jobs at the same time, and some days i worked all three jobs. Shyt was redik for about 3 years for me.

But getting back on subject, i think the message about education has to change...people like to say just goto school. No, times have changed, you shouldnt goto school unless you know what you want to do and are prepared to do everything you need to do to get there.

The average college grad nowadays takes until 32, to make the same amount of money as a non college grad. In a lot of situations, knowledge and experience of job, knowing someone, work ethic, and just simply knowing how to speak proper english opens almost the same amount of doors.
 
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If this was the case minimum wages would be non existent and corporate taxes would be the lowest in the world. Regulation wouldn't exist etc. etc.

In fact the reason jobs leave our shores is specifically government... :scusthov:
at who's request?
The corporations they are working HAND IN HAND with. Full circle my friend.

who props up your choices when you go to vote? Sure the hell isn't the people. It's corporate money.

You choice at the poll is as a choice between two people already decided on by corporate interests.

At this point IMHO anyone not seeing this is either an idiot or part of that system. Common sense pretty much demands that you see the connection.
 

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:laugh: A history class on proffessional sports would be :wow:

But to answer your question, it is not worth taking out that loan for a history or arts degree....

I think PartyHeart already expressed my sentiment for the most part. There should be some type of cost of tuition adjustment for curriculum that offer very little financial reward in the current economy.....But you'll never see colleges do that, because they would be losing money hand over fist because the majority of paying college students are not majoring in STEM\Pre-Law\Pre-Med


Reading through this thread, society wouldn't be the same without arts and entertainment majors, but do you really need to pay the same tuition as someone studying med school.

Does an MFA in fukking puppetry (http://www.drama.uconn.edu/puppetry/mfa_course.html) need to cost $42,000 grand a year?
 
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at who's request?
The corporations they are working HAND IN HAND with. Full circle my friend.

who props up your choices when you go to vote? Sure the hell isn't the people. It's corporate money.

You choice at the poll is as a choice between two people already decided on by corporate interests.

At this point IMHO anyone not seeing this is either an idiot or part of that system. Common sense pretty much demands that you see the connection.
if what you are saying was an absolute, Romney would be president :comeon:
:whoa: I'm not saying there is no truth to it, just that the power of corporations is a little exaggerated, and pales in comparisons to the power of the informed voter.




"we the people" have become frighteningly good at placing blame on everything/everyone but ourselves for the fukkery in Washington and our economy.:scusthov:
 

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if what you are saying was an absolute, Romney would be president :comeon:
:whoa: I'm not saying there is no truth to it, just that the power of corporations is a little exaggerated, and pales in comparisons to the power of the informed voter.


"we the people" have become frighteningly good at placing blame on everything/everyone but ourselves for the fukkery in Washington and our economy.:scusthov:
nothing is absolute.
Nor has this system been completely co-opted by corporations, not yet at least, one of the last great barriers was the Citizens United case. For them to just come out in the open about buy our government would cause to much shyt. The people are best managed when they are complacent and NOT upset.

100% of the responsibility for things being the way they are falls to the people IMHO. Ultimately we let things become the way they are, BUT the force driving that has always been corporations. $$$$

We're basically the abused wife who stays with "her man". It's our fault that we are there, but we aren't beating the shyt out of ourselves either.

Not much would have changed for the every day person if Romney was elected. The choices we had in that election were reduced down long before we had a chance to vote.
 

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Try telling that to gays in the military or looking to get married... or to women seeking abortions etc.
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they'd still be gay, in the military and aborting kids. Look at immigration, when push came to shove they didn't do shyt. Wedge issues are best left unresolved. GOP will still attempt to use the "gay" thing for a while but socially it doesn't pull as much weight as it once did. At some point and time it was going away very soon.

Abortion is a little different and that will remain a wedge issue regardless.

What happens when the next president takes over and wants to go back to don't ask don't tell?
 

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...2db5cc-0a30-11e3-89fe-abb4a5067014_story.html

ACT: 1-in-3 high school graduates unready for college math, science or writing courses

By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, August 21, 1:33 PM
WASHINGTON — Almost a third of this year’s high school graduates who took the ACT tests are not prepared for college-level writing, biology, algebra or social science classes, according to data the testing company released Wednesday.

The company’s annual report also found a gap between students’ interests now and projected job opportunities when they graduate, adding to the dire outlook for the class of 2013.


“The readiness of students leaves a lot to be desired,” said Jon Erickson, president of the Iowa-based company’s education division.

The ACT reported that 31 percent of all high school graduates tested were not ready for any college coursework requiring English, science, math or reading skills. The other 69 percent of test takers met at least one of the four subject-area standards.

Just a quarter of this year’s high school graduates cleared the bar in all four subjects, demonstrating the skills they’ll need for college or a career, according to company data. The numbers are even worse for black high school graduates: Only 5 percent were deemed fully ready for life after high school.

The report’s findings suggest that many students will struggle when they arrive on campus or they’ll be forced to take remedial courses — often without earning credits — to catch their peers.

The data reveal a downturn in overall student scores since 2009. Company officials attribute the slide to updated standards and more students taking the exams — including many with no intention of attending two- or four-year colleges.

In terms of careers, the report found a chasm between what students want to study and where they might find jobs down the road. ACT compared federal Bureau of Labor Statistics projections with their own questionnaires and found insufficient student interest in the five fastest-growing industries with workers who require some college.

For instance, the government estimates that 17 percent of job openings in 2020 will be in education fields but only 6 percent of test takers told ACT they wanted a job there. Computer and information technologies will account for 11 percent of openings in 2020, but only 2 percent of students indicated they want a career in that industry.

The government estimates 9 percent of job openings will be in sales and marketing, community services and management fields. ACT reports that 2 percent of test takers are interested in sales and marketing, 7 percent in community services and 6 percent in management.

The ACT report is based on the 54 percent of high school graduates this year who took the exams. Roughly the same percentage took the SAT — the other major college entrance exam — and many students took both tests. Those who took only the SAT were not included in the report.

Under ACT’s definition, a young adult is ready to start college or trade school if he or she has the knowledge to succeed without taking remedial courses. Success is defined as the student’s having a 75 percent chance of earning a C grade and a 50 percent chance of earning a B, based on results on each of the four ACT subject areas, which are measured on a scale from 1 to 36 points.

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