Ripping Off Young America

[DEAD7]

I don't buy this argument, I think if you feel like you are cut for it, you should aim straight for the top....

 

[Chris.B]

true for me....once I got my network engineering skills and programming down to intermediate level, I started applying for jobs with over 10 years of experience(more money) required and guess what?

I got one You lose in life if you don't roll the dice at some point

 

[superunknown23]

you forgot janitor

or schoolchildren crossing guard, cab driver, street hustler

 

[Trip]

As long as you can get a loan, then college is for everyone.....

Its Business 101....The high schools push kids towards college, and so does the media. Since the loans are subsidized, colleges don't have to compete for quality students anymore....

And its sad that a profession as important and noble as teaching is now considered a sorry degree....I'm gonna hate to see what society is like in America about 30 years from now

Right and colleges can basically charge whatever they want because they know the government will hand out the loan- regardless of which degree, school etc the applicant intends to enroll/pursue. Business 101 is making a decision projecting your reward. What's the reward of getting an art's degree and being in debt for the next 30 years? Unless you know coming out of school you have a connection with a job lined up and you just need to list BA on your resume....doesnt seem worth it does it?

Same nonsense with healthcare. When doctors know which patients dont pay for their healthplan....drives everyone elses costs up.

 

[CrimsonTider]

there's jobs u can do without a degree. HVAC, electrician, plumber, barber, truck driver, etc. I'm just saying. not that those positions are abundant, but they do exist.

You can't support anything with those jobs in 2013

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

You can't support anything with those jobs in 2013

 

[Trip]

You can't support anything with those jobs in 2013

I'll be the first to admit that things are tougher than they should be these days, but you really have a negative outlook on everything. "Nope cant do that" "He only got the job becuase of this..." "No one can make money being a plumber/barber/HVAC."

You think air conditioning is going anywhere?

 

[PartyHeart]

I don't get the "bs degrees" argument. I mean I do, but at its heart I still think its not sufficient to solve this issue.

You will never have a society of all doctors and engineers and IT specialists. You won't even be able to have one with those three occupations plus plumbers, electricians, factory workers and the like. So it can't be that anyone who doesn't have those specific roles doesn't deserve to make a wage where they aren't scratching to make it because they have to pay off enormous debt in addition to rising costs in everyday living.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I'll be the first to admit that things are tougher than they should be these days, but you really have a negative outlook on everything. "Nope cant do that" "He only got the job becuase of this..." "No one can make money being a plumber/barber/HVAC."

You think air conditioning is going anywhere?

I don't know what part of the country he stays in, but plumbers, barbers(good ones), HVAC techs eat good in the south.....Real Good

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

I don't get the "bs degrees" argument. I mean I do, but at its heart I still think its not sufficient to solve this issue.

You will never have a society of all doctors and engineers and IT specialists. You won't even be able to have one with those two occupations plus plumbers, electricians, factory workers and the like. So it can't be that anyone who doesn't have those specific roles doesn't deserve to not make a wage where they are scratching to make it because they have to pay off enormous debt in addition to rising costs in everyday living.

This is just good sense.....What is the point of going to college if you don't want to pursue a STEM degree or become a doctor\nurse??? Its like people are saying if you can't get a financial ROI from your degree then your degree is BS(Bull!@##, not bachelors of science).

If that's going to be the mantra we need to follow to secure a living wage then we should no longer consider colleges\universities places of academia, but pit stops to increase your earning potential and nothing more..

Art and philosophy have significantly shaped modern society and culture but due to low rate of returns financially speaking, these once esteemed academic courses have been demoted to boo boo status....

Yall don't see how backwards that is?

 

[TheBigBopper]

This is a real problem too...the system shouldn't be set up to have 17-18 year olds shouldn't be signing off the next 20-30 years of their life for some bogus dream to be a child psychologist and a guarantee be in the middle class by doing so. I tell everyone nowadays get the best education they can for the least amount of money, and in a lot of cases short of the Ivy League that may be community college or trade school and than down the line a 4 year university once your mind is right.

My neice just graduated high school, was the head of class (class president), and damn near the valedictorian...but she's going off to some school in upstate NY that costs 40K a year, but has no clue what she wants to do. Its indicative of too many high schoolers nowadays; and its damn near a crime to saddle so many people with that kind of debt, no direction, and more and more; no way to pay it back. Its fukked up because you should know what your signing up for; but its even more fukked because the people who are lending the money have to know its another bubble waiting to burst.

Is that school Cornell?

 

[Serious]

I don't get the "bs degrees" argument. I mean I do, but at its heart I still think its not sufficient to solve this issue.

You will never have a society of all doctors and engineers and IT specialists. You won't even be able to have one with those three occupations plus plumbers, electricians, factory workers and the like. So we cant have an educated society which focuses on the advancement of the human species and general equality. We need more uneducated people so, we can take advantage of them and lock them up for unfair practices. We need harsher drug laws and to build more prisons, and let rich people become more wealthy

fixed

 

[PartyHeart]

This is just good sense.....What is the point of going to college if you don't want to pursue a STEM degree or become a doctor\nurse??? Its like people are saying if you can't get a financial ROI from your degree then your degree is BS(Bull!@##, not bachelors of science).

If that's going to be the mantra we need to follow to secure a living wage then we should no longer consider colleges\universities places of academia, but pit stops to increase your earning potential and nothing more..

Art and philosophy have significantly shaped modern society and culture but due to low rate of returns financially speaking, these once esteemed academic courses have been demoted to boo boo status....

Yall don't see how backwards that is?

Exactly. And if that is the case, the loan system needs to be reformed. If the consensus is that certain degrees are not made to be profitable (and that would essentially be the majority of all the majors colleges offer) then students that intend to pursue those degrees should not be given loans. That will either make students forgo their education and pursue something else, or fall in line and go after a degree in IT or medicine the way everyone wants. But the catch is I think we all know what a crisis the American public would consider it if the vast majority of youth decided to say "fukk education".

I don't see why the tuition loan process shouldn't be similar to a private bank going through an extreme vetting process before they hand out a business loan. The same should be done for these kids so that they don't become mired in debt in pursuit of getting an education (as they are told to do) only to get done and be told well that wasn't good enough of an education to make money to pay it back so its time for you to be a slave forever.

 

[Trip]

This is just good sense.....What is the point of going to college if you don't want to pursue a STEM degree or become a doctor\nurse??? Its like people are saying if you can't get a financial ROI from your degree then your degree is BS(Bull!@##, not bachelors of science).

If that's going to be the mantra we need to follow to secure a living wage then we should no longer consider colleges\universities places of academia, but pit stops to increase your earning potential and nothing more..

Art and philosophy have significantly shaped modern society and culture but due to low rate of returns financially speaking, these once esteemed academic courses have been demoted to boo boo status....

Yall don't see how backwards that is?

Art and philosophy are cool experiences and all...but unless you're going to get your doctorate, is cost/reward worth it? I mean I'd love to take a class on the history of the NFL but....

20-30 years ago you could graduate with a bullshyt degree and go work in finance. It's just gotten way more competitive now.

 

[Trip]

I don't know what part of the country he stays in, but plumbers, barbers(good ones), HVAC techs eat good in the south.....Real Good

I'm sure. And the ones that do well hustle- working 6-7 days, constantly building up referrals etc. Unlike CT's vision where everyone was handed their success....there's a ton of folks who did it themselves.