RIP Brand Split: This Wildcard Rule is trash

[Prince Akeem]

#NWG exposing themselves.

Again.

There is only a handful of us that's really on that #NWG shyt on here... The rest are pump faking like crazy.

I haven't touched the product since August last year when they brought Hogan back.

 

[dh86]

We laugh now but from Vince's perspective he's probably like, "This is exactly why I don't give y'all shyt."

Kofi got the WWE title, Becky got both women's titles, and they got the Universal title off Brock, and the ratings are lower than ever.

And I’d tell him that his old ass must have forgot how long it took his amazing 1997 product to turn things around.

 

[NYChase718]

 

[prophecypro]

And they still dont wanna cut people so thats gonna be an overflowed catering room, shiiet they might as well do the catering

 

[mrken12]

And right now i feel like im on hip hop infinty circa 2000 and yall anticon backpackers telling me what real hip hop is. pretty sure anyone able to say “i aint feelin this shyt” and form an opinion.

It dont take a rocket scientist to realize the year they put women ON TOP, attendeance/viewership down 15%... They been doing the SAME shyt for 15 years but now people turning away.

Ratings and attendance were continuously declining way before they started pushing women's wrestling to the forefront. The product as a whole is in poor shape and has been for a while.

 

[stro]

There are a few common sense, logical ways to start fixing things:

1. People don't watch 3 hours of anything but an Avengers movie, find any 3 hour TV show that doesn't fall off over the course of the show. Even live sports has a sharp fall off after a certain length.

2. Segments have to be shorter. If they're not shorter, they need to be more dynamic and quick FEELING, at least. People are going to tune out 100% of the time of boring wrestling monologues that go 10-15 minutes with poorly and dull scripted dialogue. You're competing with 500 more shows than there were in 1998, along with a billion streaming services and general phone fukkery. By the same token, people aren't tuning in for long ass matches where nothing happens. Matches need to be shorter, faster, more compact, and exciting, not full of rest holds. Especially don't run these long ass matches 2 1/2 hours into the show when the crowd is already tired and bored and wanting to go home or go to bed.

3. More crowd interaction in general. WWE has been pushing/forcing talent to ignore the live crowd for so long that anyone who has even the slightest interaction with them or allows for a chant gets over. No one works the crowd anymore beyond heels doing headlocks for heat. You don't even see faces looking to the crowd for motivation anymore. Elias has had 2 or 3 of the biggest reactions in YEARS because he actually interacts with the crowd, he hasn't DONE anything as a character or wrestler.

4. No one has the attention span for these 9-10 months feuds with 25 matches between two guys. WWE has a roster of 500 wrestlers, there's no need to have the never ending rematches. People are going to tune out of the 9th Lashley vs Balor match since March. People especially aren't going to keep watching when there isn't even story beats or progression, it's just rematch after rematch after rematch with no stakes or escalation.

5. Consistent storylines and characters. This should probably be 1. These are scripted television shows. Treat them like it. Write a fukking script. Think shyt out ahead of time, Point A Point B Point C and how you're going to get there, and stick to the plan. No TV show is just changing shyt last second every week even if it makes no sense with what came the week before. Regular TV shows get cancelled when that shyt happens because an audience will not stick around for a show that doesn't make sense.

6. Stop insulting the audience. I don't just mean their intelligence of shoveling constant shyt and trash and expecting them to lap it up, but also having wrestlers and commentators who exist just as Vince's avatars to show his disgust and contempt for his audience.

 

[NYChase718]

Fox wanted 2 hours
And then a final hour on FS1

Isnt it supposed to be friday

Whos gonna watch that shyt for 3 hours on a friday night wen they dont watch now

 

[dh86]

And right now i feel like im on hip hop infinty circa 2000 and yall anticon backpackers telling me what real hip hop is. pretty sure anyone able to say “i aint feelin this shyt” and form an opinion.

It dont take a rocket scientist to realize the year they put women ON TOP, attendeance/viewership down 15%... They been doing the SAME shyt for 15 years but now people turning away.

I guess one needs a ‘scription to the observer to understand. I bet if Dave says it this week tho yall will act different.


Why dont you ENLIGHTEN me as to why wwe numbers down so much since im so casual?

Stop trying to feel like you know something others dont cuz you sit watching same shyt (which you all claim to hate) over and over for 3-5 hrs , 52 weeks a year.

Those 11-12 days of time > wwe in 2019. Sorry it takes you 3 hrs to get it. Takes me 30 seconds.

I think a PART of the problem is that WWE assumed that because Ronda Rousey was such a ppv draw in UFC that it would translate to WWE automatically. Ronda drew women to purchase ufc fights, and she was so unbeatable that she was able to have the Mayweather effect. Her supporters got to see dominance and her haters hate watched to see her downfall. None of that applies to pro wrestling really. MMA fans HATE WWE with a passion and once Ronda lost, her star power plummeted. Like Brock, once Brock started getting fukked up in the cage, that wasn’t the same Brock Lesnar, and his sole appeal in WWE now is nostalgia pro wrestler from a past era , not a former ufc champ drawing mma audience.

 

[Rayzah]

WTF is USA mad for, they forced them to go 3 hours, thats half the problem

All this Vince has to appease the stakeholds shyt is the reason the show is so safe and predictable

WWE is failing because they arent allowed to really be creative, all I ever here is oh the investors dont want blood, they want a 3 hour show, they got rid of the run over

The constant pandering to these charities and forcing c-list celebs on tv is whats killing the ratings

The other part is WWE hasnt created any new stars and they are obsessed with making their characters do corny shyt like whatever the fukk they are doing with the Usos, they say its to appease to kids, but that doesnt mean it isnt supposed to be good.

A brand merge aint going to change shyt, Roman aint been off raw two weeks and he already back

This brand split has been wierd, SD has been the better show the whole time but they are suffering the most because RAW has been trash

 

[dh86]

There are a few common sense, logical ways to start fixing things:

1. People don't watch 3 hours of anything but an Avengers movie, find any 3 hour TV show that doesn't fall off over the course of the show. Even live sports has a sharp fall off after a certain length.

2. Segments have to be shorter. If they're not shorter, they need to be more dynamic and quick FEELING, at least. People are going to tune out 100% of the time of boring wrestling monologues that go 10-15 minutes with poorly and dull scripted dialogue. You're competing with 500 more shows than there were in 1998, along with a billion streaming services and general phone fukkery. By the same token, people aren't tuning in for long ass matches where nothing happens. Matches need to be shorter, faster, more compact, and exciting, not full of rest holds. Especially don't run these long ass matches 2 1/2 hours into the show when the crowd is already tired and bored and wanting to go home or go to bed.

3. More crowd interaction in general. WWE has been pushing/forcing talent to ignore the live crowd for so long that anyone who has even the slightest interaction with them or allows for a chant gets over. No one works the crowd anymore beyond heels doing headlocks for heat. You don't even see faces looking to the crowd for motivation anymore. Elias has had 2 or 3 of the biggest reactions in YEARS because he actually interacts with the crowd, he hasn't DONE anything as a character or wrestler.

4. No one has the attention span for these 9-10 months feuds with 25 matches between two guys. WWE has a roster of 500 wrestlers, there's no need to have the never ending rematches. People are going to tune out of the 9th Lashley vs Balor match since March. People especially aren't going to keep watching when there isn't even story beats or progression, it's just rematch after rematch after rematch with no stakes or escalation.

5. Consistent storylines and characters. This should probably be 1. These are scripted television shows. Treat them like it. Write a fukking script. Think shyt out ahead of time, Point A Point B Point C and how you're going to get there, and stick to the plan. No TV show is just changing shyt last second every week even if it makes no sense with what came the week before. Regular TV shows get cancelled when that shyt happens because an audience will not stick around for a show that doesn't make sense.

6. Stop insulting the audience. I don't just mean their intelligence of shoveling constant shyt and trash and expecting them to lap it up, but also having wrestlers and commentators who exist just as Vince's avatars to show his disgust and contempt for his audience.

You’re 100% correct. All Game of Thrones needed was a Starbucks cup in the background of an episode for a lot of their fans to see the show in a diff light. The show is at the end but imagine every single week of nonsense. You’ve made all of my points in a concise way

 

[hayesc0]

 

[Tommy Fits]

But but but I thought ratings didn't matter

#NWG

 

[Tres Leches]

he's a genius

 

[NYChase718]

Monday's WWE RAW episode, featuring a much-hyped appearance by SmackDown Superstar Roman Reigns plus a returning Daniel Bryan vs. WWE Champion Kofi Kingstonin the main event that also featured blue brand Superstars, drew 2.244 million viewers, according to Showbuzz Daily.

This is up 4% from last week's 2.158 million viewers. It is the second-lowest viewership of 2019 and the third-lowest audience for a non-holiday RAW episode in history.

 

[TrueEpic08]

There are a few common sense, logical ways to start fixing things:

1. People don't watch 3 hours of anything but an Avengers movie, find any 3 hour TV show that doesn't fall off over the course of the show. Even live sports has a sharp fall off after a certain length.

2. Segments have to be shorter. If they're not shorter, they need to be more dynamic and quick FEELING, at least. People are going to tune out 100% of the time of boring wrestling monologues that go 10-15 minutes with poorly and dull scripted dialogue. You're competing with 500 more shows than there were in 1998, along with a billion streaming services and general phone fukkery. By the same token, people aren't tuning in for long ass matches where nothing happens. Matches need to be shorter, faster, more compact, and exciting, not full of rest holds. Especially don't run these long ass matches 2 1/2 hours into the show when the crowd is already tired and bored and wanting to go home or go to bed.

3. More crowd interaction in general. WWE has been pushing/forcing talent to ignore the live crowd for so long that anyone who has even the slightest interaction with them or allows for a chant gets over. No one works the crowd anymore beyond heels doing headlocks for heat. You don't even see faces looking to the crowd for motivation anymore. Elias has had 2 or 3 of the biggest reactions in YEARS because he actually interacts with the crowd, he hasn't DONE anything as a character or wrestler.

4. No one has the attention span for these 9-10 months feuds with 25 matches between two guys. WWE has a roster of 500 wrestlers, there's no need to have the never ending rematches. People are going to tune out of the 9th Lashley vs Balor match since March. People especially aren't going to keep watching when there isn't even story beats or progression, it's just rematch after rematch after rematch with no stakes or escalation.

5. Consistent storylines and characters. This should probably be 1. These are scripted television shows. Treat them like it. Write a fukking script. Think shyt out ahead of time, Point A Point B Point C and how you're going to get there, and stick to the plan. No TV show is just changing shyt last second every week even if it makes no sense with what came the week before. Regular TV shows get cancelled when that shyt happens because an audience will not stick around for a show that doesn't make sense.

6. Stop insulting the audience. I don't just mean their intelligence of shoveling constant shyt and trash and expecting them to lap it up, but also having wrestlers and commentators who exist just as Vince's avatars to show his disgust and contempt for his audience.

Basically, they need to re-learn how to book wrestling, not a bullshyt variety program.

Nobody's willing to point this out, but Bonnie Hammer is one of the biggest reasons why everything's been going to shyt at WWE. She's supported them for 30 years, was instrumental in their prominent positioning at USA, and has pulled them out of the fire more times than we can count both as President of USA and now as Chairperson of NBC Universal. Yet she's also the one who had them go 3 hours, is almost always responsible for the McMahons coming back onto TV after long absences (because she thinks they boost ratings), and issues ridiculous directives like this. She reinforces Vince's worst impulses a lot of the time, and not much will change until she either leaves or gets out of that mindset.

The point about segments and matches is a good one, and I'll add this to it: nothing means anything anymore. You can do long matches on TV, but those matches have to be meaningful. I'm sure they can throw out any combination of guys in a 15 minute six-man tag and it'll be good, but if it leads to nothing, why the fukk would I ever watch it? The show needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up, and they need to seriously rethink their approach to building feuds and programs in general. But that's also something that will never happen as long as Vince is in charge.

They can paper over the cracks as much as they want, but the cracks are still there and getting ever bigger as time goes on.