RIP Brand Split: This Wildcard Rule is trash

[cartierhoe]

There is only a handful of us that's really on that #NWG shyt on here... The rest are pump faking like crazy.

I haven't touched the product since August last year when they brought Hogan back.

Exactly, ain't looked back since

Not everybody claims #NWG, idk why cats don't get that

 

[cartierhoe]

But I called this a few days ago

Brand split was dead when Cena was a "free agent"

 

[TobiOT]

Exactly, ain't looked back since

Not everybody claims #NWG, idk why cats don't get that

TSC keeps me up to date with this trainwreck

 

[cartierhoe]

TSC is keeps me up to date with this trainwreck

Exactly, lurking here tells me everything. And by the looks of it, not much changes on their programs, I ain't missing shyt

 

[Rayzah]

This is the no attention span era where every form of entertainment is in constant competition with smart phones. Fans want constant action. Not rest holds, maybe Corbin is capable of more than he shows, but he has to show it. NBA has the exact same problem with the million stoppages of play and long ass replay reviews to build fake drama. Basketball is the drama. Seeing who wins and loses is the drama. In wrestling, we need a lot more getting to the damn point. They could have wrapped up last nights 30 min opening promo in 5 mins.

They need to stop calling so many damn fouls, the nba has this weird logic that if fouls arent called then people wont get to the basket and there wont be highlights.. So they dod that to keep the scores up, its not working, I think it was game 2 or 3 of the bucks-celtics series where MIL just kept going to the basket and getting fouled, it was so annoying to watch.. Then there is the whole Harden thing where he just jumps into the defense to get fouls.

When it comes to Raw/Smackdown, flipping and flopping doesn’t draw mainstream attention. It only pleases the diehard marks who are going to watch the show no matter what.

Big personalities, beautiful women (AND limited women’s wrestling matches), and edgy/reality based storylines is what draws more people in.

It’s not a hard formula to follow and in most cases WWE has been good at it in the past. They have to stop catering to the Tokyo Dome / Indie darling obsessed crowd because that is a very limited market. Keep that in NXT.

Wait when have they ever catered to that audience?

I thought that was the issue, they dont give us shyt, with their slow ass pace matches, and super safe movesets. KOfi's entire moveset looks like shyt cause its so safe, nothing looks like it hurts. They sign these dudes let them cook in NXT then get to the main roster and have them drop apart of their name and nerf their movesets. I dont know how they are catering to the indy crowd

There are a few common sense, logical ways to start fixing things:

1. People don't watch 3 hours of anything but an Avengers movie, find any 3 hour TV show that doesn't fall off over the course of the show. Even live sports has a sharp fall off after a certain length.

2. Segments have to be shorter. If they're not shorter, they need to be more dynamic and quick FEELING, at least. People are going to tune out 100% of the time of boring wrestling monologues that go 10-15 minutes with poorly and dull scripted dialogue. You're competing with 500 more shows than there were in 1998, along with a billion streaming services and general phone fukkery. By the same token, people aren't tuning in for long ass matches where nothing happens. Matches need to be shorter, faster, more compact, and exciting, not full of rest holds. Especially don't run these long ass matches 2 1/2 hours into the show when the crowd is already tired and bored and wanting to go home or go to bed.

3. More crowd interaction in general. WWE has been pushing/forcing talent to ignore the live crowd for so long that anyone who has even the slightest interaction with them or allows for a chant gets over. No one works the crowd anymore beyond heels doing headlocks for heat. You don't even see faces looking to the crowd for motivation anymore. Elias has had 2 or 3 of the biggest reactions in YEARS because he actually interacts with the crowd, he hasn't DONE anything as a character or wrestler.

4. No one has the attention span for these 9-10 months feuds with 25 matches between two guys. WWE has a roster of 500 wrestlers, there's no need to have the never ending rematches. People are going to tune out of the 9th Lashley vs Balor match since March. People especially aren't going to keep watching when there isn't even story beats or progression, it's just rematch after rematch after rematch with no stakes or escalation.

5. Consistent storylines and characters. This should probably be 1. These are scripted television shows. Treat them like it. Write a fukking script. Think shyt out ahead of time, Point A Point B Point C and how you're going to get there, and stick to the plan. No TV show is just changing shyt last second every week even if it makes no sense with what came the week before. Regular TV shows get cancelled when that shyt happens because an audience will not stick around for a show that doesn't make sense.

6. Stop insulting the audience. I don't just mean their intelligence of shoveling constant shyt and trash and expecting them to lap it up, but also having wrestlers and commentators who exist just as Vince's avatars to show his disgust and contempt for his audience.

Segments are long to fill up some time, since they have so much time to fill, they do need scripts, or something, the writing is so bad and now that the ratings are tanking I hope they finally try to change something for real. They have been doing the same thing for too long and its time to switch it up.

I agree with the 74 random matches that mean nothing, then having 2-3 ppv matches that are average at best. They need llike a 1 month break to get back to the drawing board and really figure out something interesting..

I think a PART of the problem is that WWE assumed that because Ronda Rousey was such a ppv draw in UFC that it would translate to WWE automatically. Ronda drew women to purchase ufc fights, and she was so unbeatable that she was able to have the Mayweather effect. Her supporters got to see dominance and her haters hate watched to see her downfall. None of that applies to pro wrestling really. MMA fans HATE WWE with a passion and once Ronda lost, her star power plummeted. Like Brock, once Brock started getting fukked up in the cage, that wasn’t the same Brock Lesnar, and his sole appeal in WWE now is nostalgia pro wrestler from a past era , not a former ufc champ drawing mma audience.

MMA fans arent coming to wwe, because mma fans cant get over the fact that wwe is "playfighting" they will never get over that. So wwe has to make wrestling cool again and they cant do that trying to cater to kids and shareholders. They need to get learn how to be consistent telling a story and stop playing it so safe. Roman aint Hogan and he aint Cena, niether is Charelotte, stop treating them like it

 

[WalkGawd]

I can see this shyt dying in like 10 years.

 

[showtime]

The audience doesn't want to watch a 3 month feud play out on TV with the same people wrestling each other, week in, week out. By the time the feud is done, theyve already wrestled about 9 times on TV and PPV.

This is one of the biggest problems.

They don't have jobbers so they job each other out.

For example they repackage Bobby roode with his new mustache Rick rude look and he wins and looks like he's gonna build some momentum. Then he is in a random match with ricochet the very next week in a meaningless match for his mitb spot that didnt need to happen and he loses killing his momentum in 1 fukkin week

 

[MartyMcFly]

There’s been so much truth in this thread, I don’t know where to start

 

[TobiOT]

The audience doesn't want to watch a 3 month feud play out on TV with the same people wrestling each other, week in, week out. By the time the feud is done, theyve already wrestled about 9 times on TV and PPV.

This is one of the biggest problems.

They don't have jobbers so they job each other out.

For example they repackage Bobby roode with his new mustache Rick rude look and he wins and looks like he's gonna build some momentum. Then he is in a random match with ricochet the very next week in a meaningless match for his mitb spot that didnt need to happen and he loses killing his momentum in 1 fukkin week

WWE 2K19 Universe mode in a nutshell

 

[Francis White]

We laugh now but from Vince's perspective he's probably like, "This is exactly why I don't give y'all shyt."

Kofi got the WWE title, Becky got both women's titles, and they got the Universal title off Brock, and the ratings are lower than ever.

Well it’s obvious that Seth is not a main eventer. He is a step below that maybe 2. Raw main event featuring 2 Smackdown guys is not a good look. Drew and Lashley deserve a run with belt in my opinion.

 

[Hagendas]

If they stopped pandering to kids and went back to the "mature" fukkery could they make a comeback or is it too late

 

[Francis White]

Truth be told, they need Vince Goatso back. Let him write Raw with over the top stories. Raw needs angles that needs to be shown over and over on YouTube. Bring back sexier wrestling gear for the women. Have Braun powerbomb Dana off the stage to get heat. Start the kiss my ass club again and Vince make Rene Young do it to get back at Dean.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Exactly, lurking here tells me everything. And by the looks of it, not much changes on their programs, I ain't missing shyt

It's sad when in this day and age that you can easily catch up with the WWE through internet forums, memes, and YouTube 20 minute segment, when many years ago if you even missed two episodes of Smackdown, you pretty much shyt outta luck with the story arc.

fukking embarrassing

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

If they stopped pandering to kids and went back to the "mature" fukkery could they make a comeback or is it too late

Breh....its over. They could have a XXX rating and nobody would check for that shyt because nobody is checking for wrestling except us, kids trying to understand why they are watching this shyt, neckbeards who constantly bytch about the shyt but will use burner accounts to see Saudiseries, and computer chair bookers that will spill a good anecdotes like Vince is lurking and taking notes

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

I can see this shyt dying in like 2 years.

FTFY