RIP Brand Split: This Wildcard Rule is trash

[ig88]

Ratings and attendance were continuously declining way before they started pushing women's wrestling to the forefront. The product as a whole is in poor shape and has been for a while.

WRONG. I thought you were supposed to be the wrestling geek here?

Attendance: down another 11% last quarter.

Ratings: down 13%

For a DECADE the ratings and live attendance was going down 2-4% at MOST...

Women enter the picture as normal wrestlers... down 30% in ratings and attendance in THREE YEARS. During WRESTLEMANIA SEASON.


“Everyone knows wwe been STEADY declining” 2% a year vs 14 percent a year... lmao

“Plans could change” - dave

Im used to alternative MARK history like “russo ruined the wrestling biz”, “samoa joe is a draw” and “hulk hogan is a bad guy for making money while not being able to “work””. Believe vince mcmahons reason of “big name talent wasnt around “ (which means aka the women aint DRAWS....) , while homie dh said he started slowing the girls down last night.


So thanks for accusing me of not knowing what im talking about when you so caught up in girls wrestling MaRKen. When you read it in your bibl—-... i mean observer youll understand i hope

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

If they stopped pandering to kids and went back to the "mature" fukkery could they make a comeback or is it too late

Idk

Most of me says its too late but i suppose if everything is done perfectly they could regain some viewership

 

[LastManStanding]

Truth be told, they need Vince Goatso back. Let him write Raw with over the top stories. Raw needs angles that needs to be shown over and over on YouTube. Bring back sexier wrestling gear for the women. Have Braun powerbomb Dana off the stage to get heat. Start the kiss my ass club again and Vince make Rene Young do it to get back at Dean.

 

[The Great One]

Truth be told, they need Vince Goatso back. Let him write Raw with over the top stories. Raw needs angles that needs to be shown over and over on YouTube. Bring back sexier wrestling gear for the women. Have Braun powerbomb Dana off the stage to get heat. Start the kiss my ass club again and Vince make Rene Young do it to get back at Dean.

He is very convincing in his podcast whenever I listen about his way of booking. He is a very good salesman.

 

[mrken12]

Attendance: down another 11% last quarter.

Ratings: down 13%

And this was around the same time when WWE had PR disasters and bad creative decisions going on but no let's just blame it on the women. It sounds like you just have an obvious agenda. So like I said you still don't know what you're talking about. Using women's wrestling as a scapegoat for an overall weak product is just being dishonest.

 

[Jmare007]

Basically, they need to re-learn how to book wrestling, not a bullshyt variety program.

Nobody's willing to point this out, but Bonnie Hammer is one of the biggest reasons why everything's been going to shyt at WWE. She's supported them for 30 years, was instrumental in their prominent positioning at USA, and has pulled them out of the fire more times than we can count both as President of USA and now as Chairperson of NBC Universal. Yet she's also the one who had them go 3 hours, is almost always responsible for the McMahons coming back onto TV after long absences (because she thinks they boost ratings), and issues ridiculous directives like this. She reinforces Vince's worst impulses a lot of the time, and not much will change until she either leaves or gets out of that mindset.

The point about segments and matches is a good one, and I'll add this to it: nothing means anything anymore. You can do long matches on TV, but those matches have to be meaningful. I'm sure they can throw out any combination of guys in a 15 minute six-man tag and it'll be good, but if it leads to nothing, why the fukk would I ever watch it? The show needs to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up, and they need to seriously rethink their approach to building feuds and programs in general. But that's also something that will never happen as long as Vince is in charge.

They can paper over the cracks as much as they want, but the cracks are still there and getting ever bigger as time goes on.

What's funny is that wrestling lends itself to have angles that can lead to complete overhauls like the ones you guys are pointing out. It would actually mean more than usual because it's been so long since there were actual stakes on the line for a big WWE program, so one that not only feels important but that actually changes things up to the point of a 180° change would probably do great in ratings and overall business.

Like, the task at hand is not that hard at all

 

[Legal]

And this was around the same time when WWE had many other PR disasters going on but no let's just blame it on the women. It sounds like you just have an obvious agenda. So like I said you still don't know what you're talking about.

Just drop it, breh. Your man brought out the charts and shyt to convince you that women occasionally main eventing is what fukked all this up.

Not 50/50 booking

Not lack of star power in general

Not terrible writing stuck in the 90s

Not there just plain being too much content to care about it from week to week

Not uniform blandness of the show

Not bad PR from bad business decisions

Not petty booking that essentially teaches the viewer to never care about the talent because they'll eventually get booked into the ground

Not content that is thinly veiled criticism of the audience itself, along with a generally hostile tone taken toward the viewers

Nope, none of that. Where they REALLY fukked up was deciding to book women prominently from time to time. Yup.

 

[DanielAlfredsson]

All this star power talk is funny. Vince decided a long time ago that the brand was the star, not the individual talent.

 

[ig88]

And this was around the same time when WWE had many other PR disasters going on but no let's just blame it on the women. It sounds like you just have an obvious agenda. So like I said you still don't know what you're talking about.

PR DISASTERS??

oh my... Wow. lemme guess. You think ten percent of wwes cac audeince was mad over the saudi journalist huh? 10% of cac audience left cuz retired hulk hokun said the N word?


Maybe you think its cuz trump took office. The public must obviously think they are a TAG TEAM...


Think by adding a smiley you win an argument. @Wacky D check this guy out. My signature ringing true today.

Just drop it, breh. Your man brought out the charts and shyt to convince you that women occasionally main eventing is what fukked all this up.

Not 50/50 booking

Not lack of star power in general

Not terrible writing stuck in the 90s

Not there just plain being too much content to care about it from week to week

Not uniform blandness of the show

Not bad PR from bad business decisions

Not petty booking that essentially teaches the viewer to never care about the talent because they'll eventually get booked into the ground

Not content that is thinly veiled criticism of the audience itself, along with a generally hostile tone taken toward the viewers

Nope, none of that. Where they REALLY fukked up was deciding to book women prominently from time to time. Yup.

Men lie. Women lie. Numbers dont. - the goat.... RUSSO...


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They are half of the tv show which makes them publically half the product. They didnt main event wrestlemania? This isnt the worst wrestlemania quarter since the mid 90s? The entire 2018 was a slide and there is only ONE thng different.


EVERY SINGLE line has rang true since 2002.... yet the numbers dropped 2% for 15 years. And in a single year with women on half the show and main eventing ppvs and wrestlemania.. it dropped a DECADE worth in 3 months.

Yea def not the women. couldnt be. Nooooooo


All yall do is cry about vince lying and fukking yall... now all of a sudden he telling the truth. Ive heard a DOZEN ex wrestlers saying this but mr mark and the superfriends know the biz.

Well coke boy did tell the truth. NO STAR POWER... while WOMEN MAIN EVENT...

I didnt say it. VINCE did. You dont even know youre agreeing with me.

 

[The Intergalactic Koala]

Idk

Most of me says its too late but i suppose if everything is done perfectly they could regain some viewership

The only way they will regain viewers is if WWE itself implodes. It sounds crazy but nobody is going to fall for the old deck of cards anymore. WWE survived when crash TV was the in thing. They made it through the 2000s due to the strength of Cena, and they barely survived in 2010s because of Punk and Bryan. All of this reminds me of the movie There Will Be Blood. Dude in the movie wanted so badly to be the top oil tyc00n from burying his competitors, abandoning his own son, and just isolating himself from the world. It got to the point where he became a broken down man with nothing to show for his wealth other than misfortune, loneliness, and grief. Vince can put on his best "the boss is here: routine all he wants, but that doesn't stop the fact that he's miserable in a profession he despises all the way to the deathbed. Hopefully, he'll take this business with him

 

[dh86]

I can see this shyt dying in like 10 years.

Universal or Comcast buys it from the McMahon estate and does it right.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Just drop it, breh. Your man brought out the charts and shyt to convince you that women occasionally main eventing is what fukked all this up.

Not 50/50 booking

Not lack of star power in general

Not terrible writing stuck in the 90s

Not there just plain being too much content to care about it from week to week

Not uniform blandness of the show

Not bad PR from bad business decisions

Not petty booking that essentially teaches the viewer to never care about the talent because they'll eventually get booked into the ground

Not content that is thinly veiled criticism of the audience itself, along with a generally hostile tone taken toward the viewers

Nope, none of that. Where they REALLY fukked up was deciding to book women prominently from time to time. Yup.

Tried to tell em months back

 

[NYChase718]

Vince McMahon's new WWE Wild Card Rule could end up leading to issues for the company, as described on Wrestling Observer Radio today.

As noted, the rule will see four RAW Superstars appear on SmackDown each week while four SmackDown Superstars appear on RAW each week. The gimmick was created as a response to ratings pressure from NBCUniversal (USA Network) and Fox. Vince did not want to give up the idea of separate brands, but the networks want star power on both shows and there has been a feeling that the brands don't have enough star power individually. Furthermore, it was also reported that Fox wants RAW and SmackDown storylines on the blue brand show when it goes to their network on Friday nights in October. There has been pressure from both networks to have the top WWE Superstars work both shows.

The Wild Card Rule will potentially cause issues for WWE live events, such as false advertising. Due to the way WWE creative operates these days, WWE likely won't plan out these weekly Wild Card Rule appearances in advance, which could lead to incidents where Superstars have been advertised for live events, for weeks or even months, but they're pulled from those live events to appear on TV at the last minute.


While WWE likely won't plan out the Wild Card Rule appearances in advance, it was noted that Roman Reigns is expected to appear on both RAW and SmackDown often. We noted before how NBCU recently asked questions about why WWE gave up a star like Reigns to SmackDown in the 2019 Superstar Shakeup.

 

[Legal]

PR DISASTERS??

oh my... Wow. lemme guess. You think ten percent of wwes cac audeince was mad over the saudi journalist huh? 10% of cac audience left cuz retired for 15 years hulk hokun said the N word.


Maybe you think its cuz trump took office. The public obviously thinks they are a TAG TEAM...


Think by adding a smiley you win an argument. @Wacky D check this guy out. My signature ringing true today.


Men lie. Women lie. Numbers dont. - the goat.... RUSSO...


[

They are half of the tv show which makes them publically half the product. They didnt main event wrestlemania? This isnt the worst wrestlemania quarter since the mid 90s? The entire 2018 was a slide and there is only ONE thng different.


EVERY SINGLE line has rang true since 2002.... yet the numbers dropped 2% for 15 years. And in a single year with women on half the show and main eventing ppvs and wrestlemania.. it dropped a DECADE worth in 3 months.

Yea def not the women. couldnt be. Nooooooo


All yall do is cry about vince lying and fukking yall... now all of a sudden he telling the truth. Ive heard a DOZEN ex wrestlers saying this but mr mark and the superfriends know the biz.

Well coke boy did tell the truth. NO STAR POWER... while WOMEN MAIN EVENT...

I didnt say it. VINCE did. You dont even know what youre agreeing with.

That's a lot of words just to suck Vince Russo's dikk, my guy.

To each their own, though. Have fun with all that, or whatever.

 

[Cartier Murphy]

With this Wild Card gimmick, there’s also the added issue that you run the risk of further burning out talent by adding to their schedule and increasing chances of injury. This shyt has problems written all over it