Revenge is a Dish Best Served GOLD: The Official 2012 SF 49ers Season Thread

[B90X]

Nope, you're a Kaep stan.

I don't think it's obvious at all that Kaep is the QB of the future, he's a backup 2nd year QB who really we know little about.

How am I a Kaep stan? My history is available....go back and show me any quotes by me that support this assessment?
You'll find ZERO. My point is, I don't support the "sky is falling" methodology that you're pointing to if he starts against the Bears defense. I still think Alex gives us the best chance to win the Superbowl, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Kaep's time isn't coming soon.
The man has a better arm than Alex, has better escapability than Alex, has more potential/talent than Alex, and doesn't have all the baggage that Alex has. I don't see what your problem with him is...
Furthermore, as I stated earlier, he can make throws Alex can't, so that makes him even more dangerous than Alex right now. Now, will the Bears throw him looks he hasn't seen before? Of course they will. I think he'll rely heavily on his RB's, TE's, and his legs if he becomes confused...but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I know you're an Alex supporter...I get it. But being an Alex supporter doesn't mean that you have to shyt on another qb because he isn't Alex...especially when he's the backup who potentially will have to play this game. I honestly don't care who the qb is...I just want the win.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

How am I a Kaep stan? My history is available....go back and show me any quotes by me that support this assessment?
You'll find ZERO. My point is, I don't support the "sky is falling" methodology that you're pointing to if he starts against the Bears defense. I still think Alex gives us the best chance to win the Superbowl, but I'm not going to sit here and act like Kaep's time isn't coming soon.
The man has a better arm than Alex, has better escapability than Alex, has more potential/talent than Alex, and doesn't have all the baggage that Alex has. I don't see what your problem with him is...
Furthermore, as I stated earlier, he can make throws Alex can't, so that makes him even more dangerous than Alex right now. Now, will the Bears throw him looks he hasn't seen before? Of course they will. I think he'll rely heavily on his RB's, TE's, and his legs if he becomes confused...but that's not necessarily a bad thing.
I know you're an Alex supporter...I get it. But being an Alex supporter doesn't mean that you have to shyt on another qb because he isn't Alex...especially when he's the backup who potentially will have to play this game. I honestly don't care who the qb is...I just want the win.

You see Kaep as the OBVIOUS QB of the future. WHY? That's stan shyt for a backup who has accomplished nothing so far.

And why is it obvious "his time is coming soon"?

You also seem to be accentuating anything positive about him with the "He can make throws Alex can't!" and ignoring then negative (holding the ball too long, sack fumble, not finding wide open WR's)

If you want Kaep as the QB that's cool and all, I just like that we be upfront about things

 

[B90X]

I think you're on point with that, a lot of the runs are straight up the gut. Smashing the middle of the line.

Yeah...on that Stephen Jackson TD run he got wham blocked by the TE and crumbled to his knees...it was pathetic.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Yeah...on that Stephen Jackson TD run he got wham blocked by the TE and crumbled to his knees...it was pathetic.

I`ve been disgusted on a few plays this year and how we just got smashed right up the middle.

Definitely not the same run defense from last year. I think this is Soap's last year on contract too

 

[Jmare007]

True, but on the flipside, he also did not prepare or have the coaching staff game plan for him either. It goes both ways.

Kaep will probably struggle against the bears...but he's got some things going for him that will help him. He's elusive, can extend plays and has a cannon for an arm.

I think all of our QBs will struggle against Chicago.

This.

 

[B90X]

You see Kaep as the OBVIOUS QB of the future. WHY? That's stan shyt for a backup who has accomplished nothing so far.

And why is it obvious "his time is coming soon"?

You also seem to be accentuating anything positive about him with the "He can make throws Alex can't!" and ignoring then negative (holding the ball too long, sack fumble, not finding wide open WR's)

If you want Kaep as the QB that's cool and all, I just like that we be upfront about things

It's obvious that his time is coming because he was drafted in the second round and Alex is only on a 3 year deal in which the Niners can get out of anytime without incurring any penalty. The proverbial writing is on the wall.
Also, all the negatives you said about him...those are all negatives about Alex, who has been in the league 8 years. Kaep is going on his 2nd year...these things are to be expected with a young qb, not a seasoned vet.
Like I said, whoever the Niners put at QB, I'm gonna root for to win...but I'm not going to act like Kaep's time isn't coming.

 

[Jmare007]

Any chance we actually see Jacobs or LMJ play so we add even more depth to the running game and protect Kaep/Alex against the Bears D?

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

It's obvious that his time is coming because he was drafted in the second round and Alex is only on a 3 year deal in which the Niners can get out of anytime without incurring any penalty. The proverbial writing is on the wall.
Also, all the negatives you said about him...those are all negatives about Alex, who has been in the league 8 years. Kaep is going on his 2nd year...these things are to be expected with a young qb, not a seasoned vet.
Like I said, whoever the Niners put at QB, I'm gonna root for to win...but I'm not going to act like Kaep's time isn't coming.

I don't think it's a given Kaep's time is coming at all though.

He was drafted in the 2nd round, but it's not like he is making a boat load of cash and needs to play. Alex is in that 3 year deal which the 49ers can get out of, but say we win a SB, you think Kaep is still the QB of the future?

Right now Smith is 3rd in the league in QB ranking, now that might be misleading, but if he continues at a good pace he's gonna finish in the top 10 at least and that will be 2 years in a row.

I don't see the urgency to cut bait with Smith and move on to Kaepernick, if anything I think the Rams game showed us Kaep is still very raw and has a lot to learn.

I don't think anything is obvious about Kaepernick's future here.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Any chance we actually see Jacobs or LMJ play so we add even more depth to the running game and protect Kaep/Alex against the Bears D?

I think if Alex is out you`ll see one of them activated at least.

 

[B90X]

I think if Alex is out you`ll see one of them activated at least.

Nah, they'll have to activate Scott Tolzien. Maybe they activate Jacobs by deactivating Celek?

 

[B90X]

I don't think it's a given Kaep's time is coming at all though.

He was drafted in the 2nd round, but it's not like he is making a boat load of cash and needs to play. Alex is in that 3 year deal which the 49ers can get out of, but say we win a SB, you think Kaep is still the QB of the future?

Right now Smith is 3rd in the league in QB ranking, now that might be misleading, but if he continues at a good pace he's gonna finish in the top 10 at least and that will be 2 years in a row.

I don't see the urgency to cut bait with Smith and move on to Kaepernick, if anything I think the Rams game showed us Kaep is still very raw and has a lot to learn.

I don't think anything is obvious about Kaepernick's future here.

Short of Alex winning the superbowl, the writing is on the wall. He can finish top 10 in the league in passer rating and all that, but it won't mean anything to people who think this team is superbowl bound.
I will say that I think we win that game if Alex is still the qb, but you can't discount the fact that in the 2nd half Kaep looked good. At the end of the 3rd quarter we were down 17-7...that means he engineered 17 points for us in the 4th qtr. He can do the job if he's called upon to do the job.

 

[feelosofer]

I like Kaep and I like his potential but I don't see the rush to put him out this year, I think Alex still gives us our best chance to win. He doesn't have huge games but in fairness he's only buried us in 2 or 3 games and that's pretty fukking good. Even the gawd Eli Manning has been downright awful in the past 2 games and those were against average/mediocre teams.

I think Kaep will more likely than not be our QB moving forward. He has all the talent in the world but we can't afford to house his growing pains at this point in the season. If we get past the Bears and Saints ok great. But these next two games will likely be the difference between a 2 seed and a 4 seed, should we lose them both.

As for Alex next year, I disagree unless there is a Drew Brees type option available next year. I think Alex stays, even if Kaep starts at that point.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

Short of Alex winning the superbowl, the writing is on the wall. He can finish top 10 in the league in passer rating and all that, but it won't mean anything to people who think this team is superbowl bound.
I will say that I think we win that game if Alex is still the qb, but you can't discount the fact that in the 2nd half Kaep looked good. At the end of the 3rd quarter we were down 17-7...that means he engineered 17 points for us in the 4th qtr. He can do the job if he's called upon to do the job.

Does Kap really generate 17 points, or does the kick returner fumble on the 15 yard line and Gore runs it in a play later?

Kaep played much better in the 2nd half than he did in the first, but I notice that most of the plays he was making were with his feet.

I felt better about him as a backup after this game, but he got by on a lot of shyt that wouldn't work if you a team gameplanned for him for 7 days.

You say he can do the job, but that was against the St. Louis Rams and Jenoris Jenkins was out, and he still didn't fully "do the job" because if he did we would have won the game

 

[B90X]

Does Kap really generate 17 points, or does the kick returner fumble on the 15 yard line and Gore runs it in a play later?

Kaep played much better in the 2nd half than he did in the first, but I notice that most of the plays he was making were with his feet.

I felt better about him as a backup after this game, but he got by on a lot of shyt that wouldn't work if you a team gameplanned for him for 7 days.

You say he can do the job, but that was against the St. Louis Rams and Jenoris Jenkins was out, and he still didn't fully "do the job" because if he did we would have won the game

I guess he's supposed to kick the ball through the uprights? Come on, man. He got us down into field goal range with a chance to win the game...what else do you want him to do?
Furthermore, making plays with your feet is a bad thing? The most important thing on offense is moving the ball...doesn't matter how it gets done. Him being a running threat adds another dimension that the defense has to account for. So they put a spy on Kaep...what does that mean? That means they don't double Vernon or that means that the back out of the backfield is wide open or that our receivers are getting 1 on 1 coverage. Cause and effect.
Also, you act as if Kaep won't have 7 days to gameplan for the defense, also. You think Harbaugh and co will just throw him out there and say, "good luck"? No, they're going to protect him and call plays that play to his strengths.
Lastly, yes, Kaep generates 17 points. How many times has Alex benefitted from a turnover? I get it...your support for Alex is UNDYING, but you're getting a little outrageous with your support for him. You're so blindly supportive that anybody else at qb, in your eyes, is going to fail because they're not Alex. You can't even look at this objectively. The funny thing is, I'm not even dogging Alex. If he plays that's great. I'm just saying that if Kaep has to play, I think we'll be okay.

 

[LastEmperor2k2]

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I guess he's supposed to kick the ball through the uprights? Come on, man. He got us down into field goal range with a chance to win the game...what else do you want him to do?
Furthermore, making plays with your feet is a bad thing? The most important thing on offense is moving the ball...doesn't matter how it gets done. Him being a running threat adds another dimension that the defense has to account for. So they put a spy on Kaep...what does that mean? That means they don't double Vernon or that means that the back out of the backfield is wide open or that our receivers are getting 1 on 1 coverage. Cause and effect.
Also, you act as if Kaep won't have 7 days to gameplan for the defense, also. You think Harbaugh and co will just throw him out there and say, "good luck"? No, they're going to protect him and call plays that play to his strengths.
Lastly, yes, Kaep generates 17 points. How many times has Alex benefitted from a turnover? I get it...your support for Alex is UNDYING, but you're getting a little outrageous with your support for him. You're so blindly supportive that anybody else at qb, in your eyes, is going to fail because they're not Alex. You can't even look at this objectively. The funny thing is, I'm not even dogging Alex. If he plays that's great. I'm just saying that if Kaep has to play, I think we'll be okay.

I think you are dogging the guy when you basically got him out the door in the near future.

How is my support outrageous, he's held lead the resurgence of this team and he's in the top 10 in QB rating for the second year in a row.

It's not like anyone else is gonna fail, it's the sheer fact Kaepernick has not shown me why he would succeed. If he beat the Rams with his arm i`d be more optimistic, but it was more "play breaking down and time scramble because I can't find the WR" shyt that he succeeded at on Sunday.

Kaep's style of play, at this point, would not lead to success. It would lead to initial good results, then teams would gameplan for his running style and it would be shut down. It happens almost every year with these running QB's, history tells you that's not the formula for success.

I could tell from your first posts where you were going, it was transparent. And it's cool, you have a thing for Kaepernick and that's fine for you to favor him, just be out in the open from the jump.