Retail workers are quitting at record rates for higher-paying work: ‘My life isn’t worth a dead-end

[mastermind]

Right here, this is where you failed.
18-21 you shouldn't be concerned with earning a "livable wage" tell me, do you know what a livable wage intel's?..being able to comfortably pay your rent/mortgage an car while living modestly.

Your never going to get that working at Burger King or retail unless your management and your suppose to get that, if acquiring livable wages were that easy what would anyone's motivation be to aspire to higher grounds?

That's like saying you should be able to retire off driving lyft or uber

Naw, you should be driving lyft or uber as a add-on job, or part time job, or a job you do when your retired.

These jobs were never ment for you to live off them.

In what sense should a person who is 18-21 not be able to earn a living wage?

That person may live on their own and have to pay for rent or transportation. You sound like a selfish a$$hole.

And you can’t argue those jobs were never meant for that, when the jobs that were meant to be for a career were moved to Mexico and China and Vietnam and Thailand, etc.

You don’t seem to know what’s happened to the American worker. There was a time when a single salary would be able to pay for a car, a house and support two children.

 

[NinoBrown]

In what sense should a person who is 18-21 not be able to earn a living wage?

That person may live on their own and have to pay for rent or transportation. You sound like a selfish a$$hole.

And you can’t argue those jobs were never meant for that, when the jobs that were meant to be for a career were moved to Mexico and China and Vietnam and Thailand, etc.

You don’t seem to know what’s happened to the American worker. There was a time when a single salary would be able to pay for a car, a house and support two children.

Times change and they days of pizza delivery drivers buying a house are done and never coming back, level up or get rolled over, pretty simple. The jobs that require little to no experience aren't going to net you a big return, that's just how it is....For a teen to get work experience, senior citizens to stay active, or a short-term cash grab.....Not for any serious amount of time or involvement....

You think Wal-Mart, Target, Amazon, or any corporation are going to start paying unskilled workers 50 an hour for austerity? Getting a trade or degree is the way out of customer service hell....

 

[Bossino]

Thread reminds me Amerikkkans are special type of ignorant, selfish, losers

 

[mannyrs13]

Is the problem the wage? Or the problem you decided to have kids while making that wage.

That is life. You have the power of deciding when you have kids. You have the power to make good decisions vs. bad ones. And having kids before your able to "afford" them is just stupid and will set you back.
Most adult children are quick to move out of their parents house after high school and or college for more "freedom". Then you get smacked by the real world. You should be using that time to build yourself. I saved 60K while under my parents roof making between $8-$15 for the simple fact that I had a goal in mind and was disciplined enough to do it. I also, had my own car that I paid for myself. I'm not saying all parents or situations are the same. But what I am saying is that we all mostly had a foundation that we came from that we probably should've taken more advantage of. That 60K sat until i started making around 60K a year by time I was 27-28, I could finally afford a home on my own, which I did. I didn't have a kid until I was 30, and I always told myself I don't want a kid until I have my own house to put him in. That's life planning. And most people don't plan at all. Now I'm 6figs/6certs at 34 about to buy my second home.

Parents are 2 quick to push their children into the world on their own and Kids are too quick to leave the foundation for freedom, where there a mutual beneficial relationship that parents and adult children should/could have. Adult children can contribute to the household, alleviating some pressure of the parents, while being able to save money. We also have a culture of people wanting to be fly before they can afford to be fly. Where are the priorities. People complaining about wages, but have the latest iphones, airpods and jordans and other luxuries. Where's the sacrifice for what you want.?

I'm not saying wages don't need to be increased, but I'm saying we have to be realistic at the same time. You weren't meant to be able to raise a family as a cashier at Mcdonalds. So because you decided to have said family as a cashier. Your blaming that company that they don't pay enough to fill the gap of your bad decisions.
Blanket wage increases won't work and will kill small businesses, especially in rural parts of the country. Wages should increase across the board, but it should be different in every state and catered to that state's economy. Minimum wage in New York City, should probably be like $17-$18 based on its economy but in west bubblefukk Kentucky $10-$11 should be aight since its a slower market, the cost of living is significantly lower and those business won't make as much money just because of location and traffic.

You're assuming that those people had kids when they were working those type of jobs when that's not always the case. Plenty of people who got degrees and decent jobs have been forced to take jobs in retail or the food industry after losing their jobs cuz they needed to find something to make ends meet. There is no "afford" factor when having kids cuz you never know what may happen. Look at all the companies that lost business during the pandemic like the airline and cruise industries. There were people with good paying jobs that had kids, who were laid off cuz of the pandemic. Unless you own the company, you can't do shyt if something like a merger, buyout, or shut down of the company occurs. Or even the company trying to cut costs by having someone else do the work for cheaper. I've seen it happen in retail and I'm sure other sectors experience it as well. They cut or rebrand some positions and tell you to either take a paycut or a severance package and you shyt out of luck. Meanwhile the CEO gonna continue making his millions. And not like you can tell him, oh I got a degree from a major university so I'm exempt from any company restructuring. Nobody is safe when the elite want to change things, and looking down at others who aren't in the same situation as oneself is pointless. Plus not everyone's home situation is the same. Many didn't have the luxury of saving money since they had to help with the house.

 

[Balla]

You think my cousin started out at Best Buy at $17.50hr? Naa. He's been promoted a couple times in those 7 years. He wants to stay with the company. It's all he's known, and their regional tech guys make bank. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything tho? Let me guess, you're about to say that he should start his own tech business, or get 6 certs like most Coli dudes? Not everyone's built like that. He's tryna grudge it out and do it the old fashioned way. They love him at his job and he feels connected there. Aint nothing wrong with that.

As for the car.. the fukk? My dude got a 2016 Honda Civic Hybrid. He aint ballin in the least. Truth be told, my cousins a damn nerd and I've never seen him splurge in his life. So telling me that he coulda pocketed the $300 a month is clown shyt. Imagine telling someone that lives in Orlando.. a place with ZERO reliable public transportation, that a car is a luxury. And if you're gonna get a whip, to get a cheap one. So you can come outta pocket on the reg on fixing it.



Nothing you're saying here is wrong. But that's the IDEAL life. You've giving the perfect answers to real life situations. Real life dont work that way. And if you aint frontin on what you're saying, and your life is as you say it is.. then thats good. For YOU. I dont know how many times i gotta say this... but not everyones lives are by the book. shyt happens. The scenario you're saying above happens to less than 10% of the population. That whole post sounds elitest as fukk. You had a good upbringing? Good. Not everyone has. You've been responsible with your money? Awesome. Not everyone has. You didn't have a kid out of wedlock, and you planned it? Amazing. Nearly no one does that. Not saying you're wrong.. because thats idea. It just doesn't really work like that in real life.



I think states should determine what living wages are for their respective counties. Like breh said earlier, the minimum wage in NYC shouldn't be the same in Lexington, Kentucky. And so on. I 100% think the minimum wage should be a living wage. You wanna make more money? Cool. Like you and others say, find a way to expand your mind. Learn a trade, take online classes, etc. Work for it. But there's no reason someone shouldn't be able to make ends meet if they work 40+ hours a week. If they cant get by, then the government is there with assistance if they deem necessary.



That's your definition of communism?

And when did I say that all jobs should be equal. Minimum wage is just that. MINIMUM wage. Just because thats the min, doesn't mean thats what a company should offer. That's why they cant find workers now.




Good luck with that.

100% facts about the car situation, especially in a place with no public transportation. You cannot get a beater or something cheap if you have no other way to get around.

Your car breaks down and you are SOL!! The only situation that works with a car like that is if you make a lot of money to keep fixing it or buying new ones.

A place like that you need a reliable car because if not, you are done.

 

[mastermind]

Times change and they days of pizza delivery drivers buying a house are done and never coming back, level up or get rolled over, pretty simple. The jobs that require little to no experience aren't going to net you a big return, that's just how it is....For a teen to get work experience, senior citizens to stay active, or a short-term cash grab.....Not for any serious amount of time or involvement....

You sound like a sociopath.

You think Wal-Mart, Target, Amazon, or any corporation are going to start paying unskilled workers 50 an hour for austerity? Getting a trade or degree is the way out of customer service hell....

who said 50 an hour? We can’t have a serious convo when your terms aren’t grounded in reality.

The American worker has been fukked over the last 50 years. Even if you had a skill—long shore men, factory worker, etc—the companies you are praising moved them overseas to not pay people. People that were comfortably in the middle class take up these retail jobs or restaurant jobs.

 

[JLova]

Good for them. North America has trained people to work for scraps till death and life is more than that. There should be way more holidays, higher pay and weekends should be 3 days.

After the last year and a half, why the fukk would anyone work retail or at restaurants? Ya job was 86’d. Smart people would go find something more stable.

 

[Mook]

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As far as your cousin, so his plan in life is to work at geek squad? Thats what your saying. He doesn't/ isn't trying to get promoted, nothing. When he has kids and they have career day, he's proud to say he's a geek squad team member. That's what you saying. When he was 18, or growing up, he said I want to work for geek squad and nothing else. Cool. Also, he has a car, which he's making payments on of $300. Thats a luxury. Him having payments suggests that's its a fairly new car. He could've purchased something cheaper and pocketed the extra $300 a month.

I'm not saying when or how anyone should start a family. But shouldn't that be planned by the man and woman involved? My wife and I planned our kids. My wife had a birth control IUD since I met her and removed it when we planned our first child together and put it back in after my son was born 4 years ago. She's about remove it again, so we can have our second child. My wife and I planned our family and when they were conceived. I thought that was the mature adult thing to do. Not shoot up the club all willy nilly and then be like oh shyt, that's crazy you got pregnant, didn't expect that. Guess we having a kid now. These things can be planned out effectively. If you are not financially ready to have a child with a woman, that's a failure on both ya'll parts, and you're doing a disservice to the child that's being conceived with ya'll non-planning asses, blaming the world for ya'll decision to bring a child into this world.

So the problem, your saying, is that all jobs need to pay a living wage and no longer "minimum wage". Ok so, what's a livable wage? How do we determine what a living wage is for entire population? Should a living wage factor children, if so how many? Should my living wage be more than yours because I made the decision to have more children than you and my old living wage is no longer enough?

What your asking for is all jobs to be equal and they arent't. What your asking for is communism, where are all jobs are equal. And if all jobs are equal, why would anyone work anywhere other than a job that requires the least qualifications aka mcdonalds or some basic retail shyt. Now I'm not saying minimum wage doesn't need to increase, because it definitely does. However, I think the bigger problem is things like housing, food, materials costing more overtime just because. This whole "market" shyt with fluctuations where things mostly get more expensive are the real problem. The price, should just be the price. Is it harder to grow tomatoes in 2021 than 50-60 years ago? Because I'm sure, it's a hell of a lot easier. Rents are being raised across the country, why is that? Because of the "market"? And we as consumers are forced to deal with it because at the end of the day, you need somewhere to live. What we should be doing, is asking how we can drive the market down, make things cheaper. Rent needs to be capped and regulated based on amenities, Not me and you live in the same building, similar apartments but because I got it last year, its $1000 and you got it this year so its $1200 for you because of "reasons"

You said what's a livable wage like there aren't formulas for it already lmao. What an elitist jackass. "The markets" you don't even know what inflation is bro.

I bet this guy goes "well if you pay McDonald's cooks $15 an hour why not $100"

 

[NinoBrown]

You sound like a sociopath.

who said 50 an hour? We can’t have a serious convo when your terms aren’t grounded in reality.

The American worker has been fukked over the last 50 years. Even if you had a skill—long shore men, factory worker, etc—the companies you are praising moved them overseas to not pay people. People that were comfortably in the middle class take up these retail jobs or restaurant jobs.

Then the employee has to level up with skills or education. Why is that hard to fathom? Companies aren't going to start paying more (20 an hour) because it is the right thing or because they want to, so the onus is on the employee to find another position that they are happy with....


To reiterate, these retail jobs are great for people who are looking for an income supplement, working a few shifts at Target to cop a PS5....Not depend on it to cover rent...

With the pandemic devastating much of American industry, now is a perfect time to actual level up and out of retail hell....

All these people complaining are grown ups, it is time to grow up and grind or be stuck greeting customers until you are 70...

 

[mastermind]

Then the employee has to level up with skills or education. Why is that hard to fathom? Companies aren't going to start paying more (20 an hour) because it is the right thing or because they want to, so the onus is on the employee to find another position that they are happy with....

You don’t level up after working in one field for 30+ years. Again, you sound like a sociopath.

And companies were allowed to do this because the government sold out American workers.

And don’t for one thing that whatever stem job you have is safe, as whatever clients you have or company you work for isn’t looking to find ways not to pay you. Instead of telling people to do better, you need solidarity.

 

[Rapmastermind]

At Corporations and Companies thinking things are going back to Pre-Pandemic "Normal". It's over folks. To many people have finally awaken to this B.S. Capitalism Rat Race. Things are changing. It's going to be hard to fill low salaried Jobs going forward. The same people that said "Fast Food Jobs are for teens, get a better job. Forget a higher wage, they'll just make robots" are now begging people to take these shytty positions in Fast Food, lol. Where those robots at? Oh yeah they aint built yet, lol.

Sorry you have to offer better pay and benefits in this "New Normal". Sure you might get some people but this Pandemic has taught people to value their life and time more. They aren't going to be accepting starvation wages anymore. They said Minimum wage should be 25 dollars now. It's 7.25, lol. It's going to hard to get people back into the Office when they just spend an entire year working from home. They saved on gas, They avoided the stressful commuting. How many people avoided life threating accidents from commutes by just working from Home? Thousands across the Country. They also avoided dealing with their bosses in person. This whole Pandemic opened minds. People are getting in the Stock Market for the first time Ever. If you don't see we are in a new world that's on you.

People aren't going back. The entire work force has changed. A friend of mind was a bartender and server for an NY Restaurant for years. He left the industry all together after the Pandemic. Another friend of mind worked in Offices for Decades but now will not accept any positions that aren't Work from home. Also taking away "Benefits" isn't going to force people to take these shytty jobs anymore. Things have really changed it's just funny seeing all these people saying "Return to Normal, Back to Normal". Normal left when the clocked strike 2020. We are in a new world now. People want to be paid properly. And yes Work From Home isn't going anywhere. Again people minimize Commuting stress and dangers. That has always made work hard when you spend hours in traffic.

I wrote this in the "Work From Home" Thread. Instead of a new response, I just posted my original comment. I wrote that before this story broke. I knew this was coming a mile away. Only greedy Corporations and their Media Hacks didn't see this coming. The entire economy is in for a rude awakening. They've been lying to the working people of this country for decades. Don't listen to them about "Inflation". Prices have been going up for decades and wages have not. Their lies are over. Those "Common Folk" are now "Woke". America's Nightmare is here. A Workforce that knows their value. Plus another story just broke. Black Americans suffered the MOST CAR ACCIDENTS During the Pandemic because we couldn't "Work From Home" as much as other races.

Traffic deaths increased among Black people more than any other race during pandemic: Study

Black America Wake Up. They do not care about our lives. Get the best Salary possible, Work From Home if possible. MILK ALL THE BENEFITS DRY.

 

[NinoBrown]

You don’t level up after working in one field for 30+ years. Again, you sound like a sociopath.

And companies were allowed to do this because the government sold out American workers.

And don’t for one thing that whatever stem job you have is safe, as whatever clients you have or company you work for isn’t looking to find ways not to pay you. Instead of telling people to do better, you need solidarity.

Gen-X and Boomers? Ageism, Covid risk, stubbornness, it might be a wrap for them for career advancements, but they had near 40 years to get right and budget for retirement....

But Millenials and Gen-Z as a whole can do much better than retail, Boomers are retiring with Gen-X behind them. The fields are wide open, enroll in a 2 year AA program, do a cert program, anything!


I have stocks, crypto, and other royalties (from licensing) coming in and on the back burner should anything catastrophic happen to my career in STEM, I won't starve....Multiple revenue streams are a good idea if feasible...

 

[HoldThisL]

All you nikkas defending the companies are slaves to the system and you guys just don't see it at all. What don't you guys understand?
"These jobs were made for teenagers and college kids" . You guys just be saying shyt right, just to argue?

Most of these damn jobs are filled with adults with real life responsibilites. Plus don't even throw college kids in there, because they also have real life responsibilites( as some of them still have to pay rent, tuition, or other bills). Then it's the simple fact that teenagers are in school most of the day. You guys just don't think at all, capitalism got some of yall in a chokehold. Not living in reality.

"But But you gotta grind, gotta make it out the mud if you don't want these jobs"
Guess what, that is exactly what people are doing now. But look at the effect it's having . Companies compaining that they can't find no one to hire and customer complaining about long wait times.
A bunch of ignorant mofos in this thread man. There is no way to argue against the idea that all these jobs need to provide better work conditions and pay for it's employees.

 

[Field Marshall Bradley]

If I had a teenage son/daughter, they will not work in retail or fast food. For what? fukk all that

Statements like this is how I know a lot of y’all have lost touch with the black community

 

[bnew]

Statements like this is how I know a lot of y’all have lost touch with the black community

theres daily viral videos showing retail workers and fast food workers being verbally abused or physically assaulted. Besides the low wage, it's not surprising working in that environment would be off-putting to some people.