Republican Rep. Byron Donalds: “I still believe in spanking. I’ve got kids. I spank my kids.

[Da Jungles]

If you don’t have kids, just stay outta this one please.

Just because it didn’t work on you, that doesn’t mean it won’t work on the next child. And vice versa. It may have worked on your bad ass, but that doesn’t mean you need to do it whenever your kid makes mistakes.

I’m all for it if I feel it’s necessary.

 

[bnew]

If you don’t have kids, just stay outta this one please.

Just because it didn’t work on you, that doesn’t mean it won’t work on the next child. And vice versa. It may have worked on your bad ass, but that doesn’t mean you need to do it whenever your kid makes mistakes.

I’m all for it if I feel it’s necessary.

so anecdotes > evidence ?

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

I keep trying to get people to recognize that prison is filled with individuals who experienced physical child abuse and are somewhat desensitized to violence because of it.

When a parent allows their child to cry, perhaps even talking and comforting the child, it confuses people. Why are you not whooping this little brat acting up like this? They don't understand the science behind this.

Kid is in fact learning how to cry.

He's disappointed he can't get this new video game. He's crying and bawling. Mother apologizes. Promises she'll get the game soon. He's still crying. But you can't possinly cry forever. Eventually he comes out of it. He feels a natural relief. He moves on and waits for the game.

Now he's an adult. He no longer cares about video games. Now the stakes are higher. Being "disappointed" means something like your girlfriend cheating on you...

He feels anger. He feels rage. He calls a close friend. He talks. He expresses his anger. He breaks down and cries over the phone. They talk for hours. He feels relief. In due time and with the help of people to continue talking to, he comes to terms with the circumstances, and moves on.

The flip side...

Kid is disappointed he can't get this new video game. He begins crying. Mother beats him and threatens to beat him more if he continues. He holds it in while his body shakes. Crying is bad. Expressing your feelings is bad. Violence is ok. Eventually he comes out of it. He feels no relief. He moves on and waits for the game.

Now he's an adult. Tough guy. Doesnt express feelings. Prone to anger. Will fukk you up if you disrespect him. Girlfriend cheats on him...

He feels anger. He feels rage. He fears talking about it and thinks crying and expressing emotions is "wrong." He stabs his wife and lover to death. He feels relief.


There is a science behind parenting. There's a reason we always consider the childhood and parenting of murderers and killers and sociopaths. And there's a reason the story is always the same. A combination of a both "protective," isolated and abusive household. But I guess that's all contrived BS now.

 

[Da Jungles]

so anecdotes > evidence ?

Experience >

We don’t agree nephew. It’s ok. Have a good day.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Man I got whooped growing up and imma whip my children too.

That's the reason we got these out of control children today shooting and beating up on teachers cause they aint never been disciplined and shown that there are consequences for their actions.

Some of the stuff this new generation does wouldn't even pop in my head to do.

We watching a generation that didn't get whippings right now and we all universally agree that they are terrible. It's because they were given "talkings" when they should have been given "whippings".

Do you honestly believe these black kids doing smash and grabs, assaulting teachers, and shooting aren’t getting beaten at home? Most black kids have gotten spanked and beaten across every socio economic status. Clearly, it’s not working.

 

[Prodyson]

The fact that so many of yall really and truly feel so uncomfortable with a child's behavior despite being a grown ass adult, that you can hit them shows me how deep trauma runs. How deeply so many black men are stuck in their own scary childhoods and could benefit from therapy if they'd just give it a shot.

While you make fair points, your argument is disingenuous because you frame all physical discipline on the far end of the spectrum of also lacking an ability to communicate and rationalize with a child. All discipline isn’t the same and just as you argue against the extreme side of physical discipline to discredit it in any form, someone could do the same and point to the large amount of kids who come from homes where spanking doesn’t exist yet their kids end up being some of the most disrespectful, maladjusted and insufferable teenagers and adults that you’ve ever seen.

Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

For example, that article talking about putting kids in time out triggers the same feeling as rejection in the brain…. You know what else feels like rejection to the brain? Actual rejection. And I think most of us are aware that a reasonable amount of rejection builds character, drive and fends off entitlement. As long as you’re not overdoing it and creating this idea of being unloved and unwanted your child is probably going to be okay.

This is from someone who has never given his children a true spanking. At most they’ve been popped on the hand. But not because I don’t believe in spankings, but because they haven’t done anything yet to justify a spanking. Although the oldest probably could use a spanking with how smart her mouth is these days, but she’s beyond that point now. Now I just check her, and if she keeps going I just tell her to stop talking until she learns how to speak with respect. She don’t like that. Gotta wash those dishes in silence now…

 

[CBalla]

Man I got whooped growing up and imma whip my children too.

That's the reason we got these out of control children today shooting and beating up on teachers cause they aint never been disciplined and shown that there are consequences for their actions.

Some of the stuff this new generation does wouldn't even pop in my head to do.

We watching a generation that didn't get whippings right now and we all universally agree that they are terrible. It's because they were given "talkings" when they should have been given "whippings".

facts

 

[Tetris v2.0]

I got the work a few times from my parents growing up - in retrospect, I had it coming, every time. My son is too young for any of that now and I hope it never comes to that. I was a loud mouth ass kid lol

It definitely should be done very sparingly and absolutely should not be a crutch, but kids need to know that there are consequences to your actions. That doesn't need to be a slap necessarily, but a little fear isn't always a bad thing. Fear tends to drive us and inform a lot of our decisions in the real world. Until the brain can rationalize why good behaviour is good, we tend to do things out of fear of "getting in trouble"

Now drunkenly beating your kids and berating and humiliating them cause you're an emotionally stunted piece of shyt with a control complex and can't process your own failures, while doing irreparable damage to their psyche is some bytch shyt. Hopefully we can make that distinction

 

[etrofllenrod504]

You have grown folks who don’t know how to navigate they emotions because they weren’t thought how. Instead they got whoppings. Imagine being on this earth only a handful of year and some hits you(the person you love and all you’ve known) because you are doing things you have no idea that’s deemed as wrong due to bare minimal life experience.

 

[RennisDeynolds]

Spanking has been talked down for decades now but we seem to be entering an era of more mental issues than ever

And absolutely no discipline . These new parents just stick a screen in front of these kids face from a few months old to placate

 

[R=G]

Alot of comments on this site and in general everywhere with this mixed Gen Z types are always "they didn't have a father or they are fatherless" when you see news of horrible behavior, whoring, selling out, yadda. The truth is..they didn't get they ass beat and was raised bytch made and weak...now they running amok and don't have any backbone..acting all Asian and Indian level. Pitiful. New age boot lickers basically.

 

[Moose_Greyjoy]

Every person is different, every child is different. I think it’s a mistake thinking there’s a one size fit all to raising a child.

 

[Still Benefited]

Spanking can lead to all kinds of mental issues, but there are a lot of folks out here looking dumb as hell with their kids talking to them like they ain't shyt.

I guess it depends on the situation. Your child should always know that you love them.

And thats why the studies are nonsense. People who spank and hit there child for any and everything shouldnt be included. Thats basically just abuse if you hit your child because they touched a bag of skittles. I got spankings,but when I got spanked it meant something and I knew what I did wrong.


The way some of these people use they hands. I could see kids being in a constant state of confusion,being afraid to ask anything. And most importantly learning or inhereting 0 emotional intelligence because their parent/parents have none.

 

[SupaDupaFresh]

While you make fair points, your argument is disingenuous because you frame all physical discipline on the far end of the spectrum of also lacking an ability to communicate and rationalize with a child. All discipline isn’t the same and just as you argue against the extreme side of physical discipline to discredit it in any form, someone could do the same and point to the large amount of kids who come from homes where spanking doesn’t exist yet their kids end up being some of the most disrespectful, maladjusted and insufferable teenagers and adults that you’ve ever seen.

Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

For example, that article talking about putting kids in time out triggers the same feeling as rejection in the brain…. You know what else feels like rejection to the brain? Actual rejection. And I think most of us are aware that a reasonable amount of rejection builds character, drive and fends off entitlement. As long as you’re not overdoing it and creating this idea of being unloved and unwanted your child is probably going to be okay.

This is from someone who has never given his children a true spanking. At most they’ve been popped on the hand. But not because I don’t believe in spankings, but because they haven’t done anything yet to justify a spanking. Although the oldest probably could use a spanking with how smart her mouth is these days, but she’s beyond that point now. Now I just check her, and if she keeps going I just tell her to stop talking until she learns how to speak with respect. She don’t like that. Gotta wash those dishes in silence now…

I hear you breh. And I agree a little "ay!" Followed by a peck on the hand or butt. That I'm not talking about. I can respect that even though I do think it shouldn't be the first form of communication.

I am talking about the parents who just get a kick out of treating their children like annoying punching bags any time they express themselves. The type of parents that are quick to tell their kids "shut the fukk up!" on a train ride when all the kid is doing is being a lm excited kid spending time with his mom. The type of parents who will beat their kid silly in the street shouting "what the fukk did I fukkin tell you about fukking cursing!"

This is the type of "parenting" I was surrounded by im my neighborhood and it just disgusts the hell out of me how obtuse and dense some people who choose to raise kids really are.

It's like you know before you have a child their inherent behavior and what to anticipate. You know it's tireless thankless work that requires patience. And when I see self-centered parents of all ages that bring a child into the world and treat the child like an annoying task that just makes them angry, it's like why have kids if you weren't prepared for the task? Why do it if you knew all you was gonna do was make it all about you and your loose feelings and abuse these children? I can go on forever man...

 

[Prodyson]

I hear you breh. And I agree a little "ay!" Followed by a peck on the hand or butt. That I'm not talking about. I can respect that even though I do think it shouldn't be the first form of communication.

I am talking about the parents who just get a kick out of treating their children like annoying punching bags any time they express themselves. The type of parents that are quick to tell their kids "shut the fukk up!" on a train ride when all the kid is doing is being a lm excited kid spending time with his mom. The type of parents who will beat their kid silly in the street shouting "what the fukk did I fukkin tell you about fukking cursing!"

This is the type of "parenting" I was surrounded by im my neighborhood and it just disgusts the hell out of me how obtuse and dense some people who choose to raise kids really are.

It's like you know before you have a child their inherent behavior and what to anticipate. You know it's tireless thankless work that requires patience. And when I see self-centered parents of all ages that bring a child into the world and treat the child like an annoying task that just makes them angry, it's like why have kids if you weren't prepared for the task? Why do it if you knew all you was gonna do was make it all about you and your loose feelings and abuse these children? I can go on forever man...

I agree with everything you said here