Report shows Hispanics are rapidly moving up the economic ladder than blacks.

[Originalman]

Also stable 2 parent households are a huge factor that many in the black community simply refuse to acknowledge. Tripping your child of the opportunity to grow up with big parents in the household is murder. You’re already killing your child. Kids need stability.

But we got men and women thinking it’s cool to aspire to having baby mamas and daddies. Folk should be shunned for that but we embrace that shyt.

We have a lot of work to do. Racism is a mahfukka but we need to play our part too.

I will say that many of the mexicans I have known still had baby mommas and daddies. The difference was as a family everyone chipped in to help. So a sister or brother will take in the kids. Or a mother and father will say hey you got all those kids come live with us.

Also like someone said before they have no problem living with family for years and years, pulling money together and having 2 or 3 or 4 jobs at the same time.

One more thing I would argue is that the black middle class has shrunk in the last 40 years due to jobs going overseas. Where as in border towns (I have worked in those) have had an explosion of wealth in the last 30 years. Because jobs have been pushed further south and into mexico.

I literally know tons of mexican americans that cross the boarder everyday to work at factories in mexico (get paid high american salaries). These same factories were once in america and in black neighborhoods (check out the companies in Reynosa Mexico).

 

[Originalman]

This is why my cousin left construction, he worked harder and had more experience then all of them but kept getting past over for other Mexicans, the bosses were all Mexican and hired there relatives, how in the world to you beelieve this doesn't happen

A registry is being sued for hiring discrimination against black in favor of other latino's that's major nepotism, same with phillipino's in the medical field

Yep this is also ignored the industries know they can pay them less than black americans.

This was mentioned before with the transition from black American baseball players to black latin baseball players.

 

[ultraflexed]

Here's the raw truth: We'd rather endorse this than embrace a right wing talking point. Even if it means our own demise.

Illegal immigration is the new hip hop debate from the 90's - nobody listened to critics who said that this music was being used to stagnate our communities
we were ready to KILL delores tucker and dione warwick

and now we're not listening to respected and educated african americans telling us that illegal immigration is going to hurt our communities in the long run.

any black person making that "trump/right wing!" argument will catch a beat down, get blocked on social media, lose friends...

the smartest thing any black person can do right now is just look out for themselves and their loved ones

Wow......repped..great point..

 

[DatNkkaCutty]

There ain't no Mexican version of PG county. Brown excellence is a 94' Civic with different color panels and a lawnmower engine, ten brehritos to a one bedroom apartment, machetes, box shaped hoes with 12 kids, clearance rack team Jordans and a $5 an hour under the table landscaping job.

 

[Mr swag]

A lot of wealth has to do with housing. A Hispanic family is more likely to get a house in a white neighborhood where the properties appreciate in value. This is not the case with a black family

Yes because they put there money to gather which allows them to pay off debt and save faster. Imagine not have credit card debt or a car note or any other debt. That money is then used for savings which then goes to a down payment on a house.

 

[Reality]

African Americans have their own independent culture, but a lot of people, including it sounds like you; don't want to acknowledge it.

Fwiw, the USA only got about 6% of all slaves in the slave trade; the remaining 93%+ went to the Caribbean and South America. Of the 6% that did come to the USA; most were heavily Mande people from upper and lower Guinea. Up to 60% of all the slaves that came to the USA came through ports in South Carolina.
African American Heritage - Charleston SC

So we know where the people were from and we know who they were (mostly Mande people and 33% or more them were Muslim); and we know why the English focused on procuring them as war prisoners in West Africa in order to make them slaves in the USA; which was to grow rice. They were also excellent at other farming like growing cotton, peppers, etc; and at livestock (horses and cattle).
The Gullah: Rice, Slavery, and the Sierra Leone-American Connection | The Gilder Lehrman Center for the Study of Slavery, Resistance, and Abolition

It is from there that we get the Gullah Geeche culture that is in North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia. They are heavily descended from Mande people and they brought Mande traditions and culture with them to the Americas. Mande culture include foods like rice based dishes like Jambalaya, Hoppin John, Gumbo, etc. Mande people didn't eat pork, because many were Muslim so all that pork stuff came from White people in the Americas. Mande music includes stuff like the Blues, Country, Rock and Roll; Rap, etc. In fact the slaves brought the banjo to the USA.

The rest of your post is just just thinking that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. But the biggest mistake that you make, is in thinking that AAs really don't have an independent traditional culture, because the Gullah-Geeche culture is a Mande based culture, which is independent and they have their own language, which is where the Southern accent started.
Project MUSE - Bound to Africa: the Mandinka Legacy in the New World

Oh yea the Mande people are the founders of the Empires of Ghana, Mali and Songhay. AAs have a lot in common with Mande people including traditions of extended families and building colleges out of their churches (in the case of Mandingos building colleges out of mosques).

I appreciate the well thought-out post. I’m well aware of these aspects of the culture and have had opportunities to visit heavily Gullah-Geeche cities in the southeast. My understanding (and feel free to better educate me on this) is that these are still local, geographically confined cultures.

Layer on top of that the fact that black people didn’t have the opportunity to freely commiserate and pursue consumption of their own food for 100s of years and here we are.

Black independent traditional culture is heavily confined to the southeast (South Carolina, Louisiana, etc.) but our ability to capitalize on it vs. other cultures has been severely limited.

Music is the only avenue where blacks have been able to really leverage distinct, valuable, hard to imitate culture, and even then only in a limited fashion. The money is still flowing through to people who don’t look like us in part because those other really strong cultural barriers (language being the most important one) were torn down by slavers.

Now me personally, I’m going to think gumbo made by a black persons from Louisiana or SC is going to be better than gumbo made by most for example - but the gap in expectations is gonna be wayyyyy bigger if I’m judging, say, a burrito made by a 2nd gen. Mexican vs. a burrito made by somebody else. That has economic implications.

I really don’t think my post is grass-is greener. It’s simply underscoring the cultural differences at work - I could have made a similar post replacing Mexican with Nigerian, for example.

AAs have a culture in the US, but have been robbed for years of the opportunity to capitalize on it. Every immigrant population to the US has capitalized on the distinctness / inherent barriers to outsiders of its culture to get a leg up economically. I’m just thinking through what has to happen / needs to happen when a people is robbed of that opportunity (which I talked about more in subsequent posts to the one you quoted, to be fair to you).

 

[BlackMajik]

Mexican men are awesome. Dated 2 while I was in the service. And they age well. You also have a point: Mexican women only date down when they want to date black men.

fukk outta here hoe

 

[CASHAPP]

Ima just say this because I don’t want the thread to take a turn...

Black women are lapping black men in educational outcomes.

Black women are lagging black men in financial / economic outcomes.

Education is a means to an end, not the end itself. So is employment. Black people trip up on this.

breh stop the denial. We are getting slaughtered by black women. fukk that "the outcome" nonsense. And lets not bring up how they are chosen before us in the corporate world or other excuses

 

[monsterpreneur]

I wish all black folks would realize that 'they' aren't changing because they give zero fvcks. We can only fix us.

Exactly. People spend more time callinnout racists as if those fools care. They don’t. You think they want to change the narrative and give up their spot at the top of the food chain? The fukk, why would they? Complaining isn’t gonna get us ahead.

 

[DaHNIC82]

Well they didnt have to deal with Cointelpro, Jim Crow, having their leaders killed off, Reganomics, daily attacks on our dignity, masculinity, and financing along with giving scraps from the owners table despite building it from the ground up. You damn right they can florish, They didnt have to fight to do it

 

[Lord_Chief_Rocka]

“Hispanics” include whites for the millionth time

You’d have to break it down through nationality/ethnicity

Most wealth data shows Mexicans and AAs to be pretty even for example

 

[blackgentlemenvoice]

That's the thing, we can't! That's not our experience. There has been a strategic and willful destruction put in place by powers beyond our control since the day we were so-called free. We will never be able to benefit from the "opportunities" here, because they were not designed for us and still aren't welcoming or foster any room for growth. I just heard a story on NPR today where the USDA purposefully took down a black own farmed. Starting by refusing help to fill out the application, lying about the condition of the couples credit, with holding payment of operating funds, etc. Until eventually the sheriff evicted them from their home of 20 years AND took their 3 dogs that they owned a puppies, even though they were pets. It was sad. If anything African Americans need to migrate to other countries for education and "culture". That's the only way we could adopt the mindset of an immigrant, is to actually be one and be around others.

I'm not saying that black people haven't advanced or can't advance, but more so that discrimination never leaves us, no matter how much we make. I know six figure AA professionals and they still make less than their white counter parts, have to put in five times as much effort, get stared at funny riding in their own neighborhoods, etc. Some even live paycheck to paycheck because they are just bad with money, which is a byproduct of forced illiteracy that's gong to take a few generations to correct. I just don't think people understand the magnitude of our experience and it's impact for generations. It's not just something easy to undo.

Your right but that a dangerous mindset. When you know better you do better or move smarter.

Me and my circle keep each other in check and help put each other on. We ask all the hard questions when we see someone fukking up and not minding our business.

Why aren’t you asking why your friend is living paycheck to paycheck. You can help correct what in front of you

Soooo many black people have a individual mindset and love saying “it not my business “

 

[Originalman]

Yes because they put there money to gather which allows them to pay off debt and save faster. Imagine not have credit card debt or a car note or any other debt. That money is then used for savings which then goes to a down payment on a house.

A lot of this has to do that they don't believe in kicking family members out and look to pay off debt so they can move back to mexico or send family money back in mexico.

So that wealth is something the stats don't bring up and I brought it up before when the study of them having more homes than black folks came out.

I know a bunch of mexicans where their sister or brother or mom and dad live with them and they all pay on the bill (or the kids are grown as shyt and live with their parents to pay the house bills or stack up money). shyt that is what foreigners do anyway until they get americanized. Africans and indians do the same shyt.

 

[Originalman]

“Hispanics” include whites for the millionth time

You’d have to break it down through nationality/ethnicity

Most wealth data shows Mexicans and AAs to be pretty even for example

Thank you.

 

[Samori Toure]

I appreciate the well thought-out post. I’m well aware of these aspects of the culture and have had opportunities to visit heavily Gullah-Geeche cities in the southeast. My understanding (and feel free to better educate me on this) is that these are still local, geographically confined cultures.

Layer on top of that the fact that black people didn’t have the opportunity to freely commiserate and pursue consumption of their own food for 100s of years and here we are.

Black independent traditional culture is heavily confined to the southeast (South Carolina, Louisiana, etc.) but our ability to capitalize on it vs. other cultures has been severely limited.

Music is the only avenue where blacks have been able to really leverage distinct, valuable, hard to imitate culture, and even then only in a limited fashion. The money is still flowing through to people who don’t look like us in part because those other really strong cultural barriers (language being the most important one) were torn down by slavers.

Now me personally, I’m going to think gumbo made by a black persons from Louisiana or SC is going to be better than gumbo made by most for example - but the gap in expectations is gonna be wayyyyy bigger if I’m judging, say, a burrito made by a 2nd gen. Mexican vs. a burrito made by somebody else. That has economic implications.

I really don’t think my post is grass-is greener. It’s simply underscoring the cultural differences at work - I could have made a similar post replacing Mexican with Nigerian, for example.

AAs have a culture in the US, but have been robbed for years of the opportunity to capitalize on it. Every immigrant population to the US has capitalized on the distinctness / inherent barriers to outsiders of its culture to get a leg up economically. I’m just thinking through what has to happen / needs to happen when a people is robbed of that opportunity (which I talked about more in subsequent posts to the one you quoted, to be fair to you).

Roughly 90% of African Americans ancestors are from the South. They moved North in large numbers during the industrial revolution that occurred around the first and second world wars; where roughly now a little less than half of African Americans live in the North and West and the other half live in the South. AAs took their culture with them, but successive waves of immigrants (European, Asian, Central and South Americans and African) have dwarfed AA neighborhoods and now people are under the impression that AAs never had a culture.

When AAs moved North they took their cultures and traditions with them, which is why Soul food moved North and West. What you are really saying is that AAs culture and foods have been diluted by White people, that is why is country music and blues music now sounds so terrible. That is why the food is so bland and terrible too. But when you eat traditional foods like black eyed peas, okra, rice and chicken/fish based dishes from legit AA cooks then you can tell the dishes right off. AAs cuisine literally fed every President.

- The Washington Post
- The Washington Post


Edit: Pork is associated with Soul food, but that is actually something that AAs got in the USA. That is not a part of their dishes. That was given to them by White people, which shows you how good of cooks that Black people were because they were even able to add that foreign food to their dishes. The same for bar-b-queing. That is actually from South of the border, but nobody bar-b-ques like AAs.