Reconciling Homophobia and Homoeroticism in Hip-hop

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No, and that's a mixture of selection and confirmation bias on your part. Only 2 of the last 20 threads I posted in were about homosexuals in society. You're seeing what you want to see, my friend.

As for imagery of destruction and violence, this article addresses that.

How is it a bias on my part? I asked a simple and serious question. You got more threads on gay people than what you are claiming. It's nice your last 18 threads aren't but we haven't counted them all. Plus this subject, you are known to be very vocal about( numerous times).

The article is bad though....

1. When did Tribe or De La ever been seen as weak and less masculine in Hiphop?
2. Homo-eroticism came in the Bling-Era
3. When did Run DMC pose Naked?
4. When did Trey Songz and R.Kelly become a Hiphop Artist
5. The article doesn't address black on black violence or the drug problem...period.

The article quick to jump on some artists but that doesn't represent Hiphop as a whole.
 

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How is it a bias on my part? I asked a simple and serious question. You got more threads on gay people than what you are claiming. It's nice your last 18 threads aren't but we haven't counted them all. Plus this subject, you are known to be very vocal about( numerous times).

The article is bad though....

1. When did Tribe or De La ever been seen as weak and less masculine in Hiphop?
2. Homo-eroticism came in the Bling-Era
3. When did Run DMC pose Naked?
4. When did Trey Songz and R.Kelly become a Hiphop Artist
5. The article doesn't address black on black violence or the drug problem...period.

The article quick to jump on some artists but that doesn't represent Hiphop as a whole.

I gave you a simple answer. If you want to count all the threads I've participated in, be my guest. I don't know what you hope to get out of it.

1. The article never says Tribe or De La were seen as weak and less masculine. In fact, the point is that they were from an era where those accusations weren't thrown around, and that changed.

2. No it didn't. It was already underway by the mid-90s. Just look at some of the lyrics posted.

3. No one ever said they did. "Various states of nudity" doesn't mean everyone was naked. If you want to look up the Vibe cover, be my guest.

4. So because they're "R&B" artists, they have nothing to do with hip-hop? Let's be serious.

5. So? Why does it have to? It's about a mostly separate issue, which is how hyper-masculinity and misogyny create self-destructive patterns of behavior in the Black community and encourage violence.

Why don't you stop cherrypicking little bits and pieces and try to come to grips with the main argument?
 

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Why don't you stop cherrypicking little bits and pieces and try to come to grips with the main argument?

Which is what? Hip hop is gay? Or that hip hop hates gays because it's gay? GTFOH with that.

It's an interesting theory but when you break out his arguments it falls apart.
1. A Vibe editor saying LL on a cover means it's appealing to men sexually is an opinion. And no more valid than saying collecting baseball cards is appealing to sports fans because they got it bad for their favorite pitcher.

2. Snoop Dog didn't advocate group sex, he advocated sharing.

3. He misconstrued wanting a strong woman with wanting a strong man.

4. He doesn't understand (for lack of a better word) ghetto culture and what actually drives it.

5. He doesn't understand the actual reasoning, motives and interaction sex plays in prison nor how sex in general, particularly rape is about power, not sex.

6. He claims homo eroticism is a response to mysogeny because it's frowned on for being "soft" with a girl.

7. He has a jacked understanding of gender roles, their origins and their impact on society and culture and vise versa.

8. Dude flat out said being tight with your boys means lines get blurred, dude is basically saying brotherly love is sexual :smh:
hyper-masculinity simultaneously causes a deep distrust of women (a cause of rap’s misogyny), and promotes male friendships as the deepest relationships that can be formed. And when friendship is elevated to such a high status, lines can be blurred. This is a topic that has been explored since eternity (Antonio and Bassano’s relationship in Shakespeare’s “The Merchant of Venice”, for example), but has yet to confronted in Hip Hop.

when you add this all up i suspect somewhere this guy and his gay friend crossed a line and now he's trying to justify it.

At every turn, even plain factual understanding of lyrics the dude failed.
 

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not sure i want to fight you on it but...why do you think this?

When I was in high school, Kanye was the first entertainer with a middle class/suburban upbringing that was making music I could relate to and feel like I could just be myself.

Pharrell was one of the first entertainers following the gritty and gangsterism of the 90s that I felt like was making music that transcended predominate black stereotypes and showed an image of how else to dress, act, and what cultural identifers were ok to align with.

Kanye and Pharrell are definitely the most influential black artists since the year 2000.
 

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Nah...its just some disrespectful shyt.

Its not some subsconscious homosexual shyt...its the fact he equates homosexuality with ultimate shame, disrespect, and insult.

I used to make comments like that when I was younger. Everything was "thats gay"/ fakkit this and that / suck this / queer this and that

its just a way of dehumanizing someone.
 

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When I was in high school, Kanye was the first entertainer with a middle class/suburban upbringing that was making music I could relate to and feel like I could just be myself.

Pharrell was one of the first entertainers following the gritty and gangsterism of the 90s that I felt like was making music that transcended predominate black stereotypes and showed an image of how else to dress, act, and what cultural identifers were ok to align with.

Kanye and Pharrell are definitely the most influential black artists since the year 2000.
...oh you said post civil rights...
:manny:

I would probably put Jay -Z in there just because of popularity
 

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...oh you said post civil rights...
:manny:

I would probably put Jay -Z in there just because of popularity

Nah...Jay and other street rappers are important because of the voice they gave to overlooked problems...but in terms of black identity and success I think Kanye and Pharrell have done more.
 

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Nah...Jay and other street rappers are important because of the voice they gave to overlooked problems...but in terms of black identity and success I think Kanye and Pharrell have done more.

Stop man, I'm dying


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