Reconciling Homophobia and Homoeroticism in Hip-hop

[Julius Skrrvin]

Homoerotic DMX lines:

"Y'all niccas remind me of a strip club/cause everytime you come around its like (what), I just gotta get my dikk sucked."

"Since we all here, you hold my dikk while he's suckin it."

"All your mens up in the jail before sucked my dikk."

Him and biggie with the bars...

 

[88m3]

It's an interesting article..

Hip-Hop is hyper-homoerotic, that makes sense I guess. And this is because of structural issues within the black community? I think that's the point they were making...

 

[thekingsmen]

We have the fix the violence, drug problems and the imagery of destruction in the Hiphop Community first before anything else. @The Real you gay homie? Cause gay topics seem to be the only thing you care about?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

nah im not saying anything about the article, i didnt even read it, just from reading the headline im anticipating the derailments and tangents that will ensue in the thread

Kind of like your posts in it after not even having read the article lmao Twimmy loves to flex his clown school PhD

Biggie came in the game on the back of Mr C... wait a minute Naw but latent homoeroticism is an underlying current of American culture in general, however, America lacks the courage/tools to deal with it or even acknowledge it.

 

[tmonster]

Homoerotic DMX lines:

"Y'all niccas remind me of a strip club/cause everytime you come around its like (what), I just gotta get my dikk sucked."

"Since we all here, you hold my dikk while he's suckin it."

"All your mens up in the jail before sucked my dikk."

:zfg::yasure::youthink::zfg:

 

[tmonster]

Where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at?
Have that nikka in the cut, where the wood at?




sounds like a yung yogurt line

always thought he was a closet homo

breathe....:zfg:

 

[Digga38]

Hip-Hop is hyper-homoerotic, that makes sense I guess. And this is because of structural issues within the black community? I think that's the point they were making...

lol make up words brehs

 

[Digga38]

We have the fix the violence, drug problems and the imagery of destruction in the Hiphop Community first before anything else. @The Real you gay homie? Cause gay topics seem to be the only thing you care about?

as long as they kill each other when wearing skirts all will be right with the world

 

[The Real]

We have the fix the violence, drug problems and the imagery of destruction in the Hiphop Community first before anything else. @The Real you gay homie? Cause gay topics seem to be the only thing you care about?

No, and that's a mixture of selection and confirmation bias on your part. Only 2 of the last 20 threads I posted in were about homosexuals in society. You're seeing what you want to see, my friend.

As for imagery of destruction and violence, this article addresses that.

 

[Trip]

meh

 

[Mr. Somebody]

http://whiteyonthemoon.net/2013/11/17/reconciling-homophobia-and-homoeroticism-in-hip-hop/


Since the decline of groups like “Tribe Called Quest”, “De La Soul” and “The Jurassic 5”, there has only really been one accepted definition of masculinity in Hip Hop. And that vision of manliness is one of hyper-machismo achieved through a combination of violence, physical strength, mental toughness, misogyny and wealth. As Byron Hurt points out it in his fascinating film “Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes”, if you fail to conform to these ideals “People call you soft, or weak or a p*ssy or a fakkit, and no one wants to be any of those things, so everyone stays inside the box”. Perhaps unsurprisingly then, Hip Hop has always had a strong homophobic element to it; in this aforementioned documentary Busta Rhymes declared “what I represent culturally, can not condone it [homosexuality] whatsoever”, and then walked out when asked if a gay rapper could be accepted by the mainstream of the scene.

However, misogyny and homophobia are well understood and often discussed subjects in Hip Hop. What is less examined is the blatant homoeroticism that permeates much of rap music, and how it can be reconciled with the homophobia that the same artists espouse.

So how does homoeroticism manifest itself in rap? Well, Emil Wilbekin, former editor of industry bible “Vibe Magazine” suggests that if Hip Hop’s main consumers are men, then you must conclude that LL Cool J posing half naked under a waterfall in his videos must be appealing to males in some way. Similarly, 50 Cent’s first two album covers, that feature him, shirt off and oiled up, must be successful marketing towards men as well as women to explain their rates of purchase by gender. Wilbekin’s own magazine has been as part of this. Vibe’s Cover has been graced, in various states of nudity, by Nelly, Tupac, 50 Cent, Trey Songz, Lil Wayne, Run DMC, Piles and Eminem, to name but a few. Can you imagine NME stripping off and greasing up members of the Artic Monkeys? It seems unlikely.

Furthermore, it would be fair to say that these undertones permeate the music itself as well as the marketing. One of Hip Hop’s most covered lines is Snoop Dogg’s famous couplet “It ain’t no fun, ‘less we all get some”. Some have called this “an ode to gang rape” and focused on the misogyny of “No Fun” as a whole. But what is more striking than the old news of “rappers don’t respect women”, is the fact that Snoop Dogg is declaring that having sex with other men (albeit mediated by women) is “fun”. Why is this not more shocking? Why hasn’t this been seen as stepping outside the “box” that Byron Hurt described? There is even a strange form of homoeroticism about how Hip Hop portrays relations between men and women. Whether it’s P Diddy declaring that “you were more than my girl, we were like Brothers”, or T.I. and R Kelly suggesting that the only purpose to seducing a woman is get a reaction out of other men (both your “homies” and her boyfriend), there seems to be no way that rap can separate male relationships from male-female ones. Whether this is overtly homoerotic is questionable, but there is no doubt that the continued devaluing of romantic feelings, whilst simultaneously elevating male friendships, has led to some seriously blurred lines.

But where does this culture come from? To some extent, it has things in common with other hyper-masculine environments, such as sporting cultures, which promote male bonding at the expense of interaction with women (and other men who don’t fit their vision of manhood.) And yet in other ways it is totally unique. “Hip Hop: Beyond Beats and Lyrics” suggests that this could have something to do with the links between Hip Hop culture and prison culture. This relationship is very complex, largely because it is a mainly imagined interaction. Maybe rappers are better represented in prison populations than guitarists, but what understanding can Jay Z really claim of incarceration? But the fact that the relationship is based on collective fantasy does not mean it does not exist and is not influential. The role homosexuality plays in prison culture is well understood, and if that then effects gangsta affectations, then of course hip-hop picks up on it. As significant as the overt homosexuality though, are aspects of the exported culture whose homoerotic undertones are more subtle: wearing trousers well below the waste, not wearing a shirt and working out purely to impress and intimidate other men.

However, more fundamentally, it seems that homoeroticism is a response to misogyny. Romantic relationships are viewed with utmost suspicion in rap; LL Cool J was chastised for years for daring to make a Hip Hop love song. The ideal woman in the hip hop world, as P Diddy revealed in the quote above, is essentially a man. Biggie broke it down in “Me and My bytch”:

Moonlight strolls with the hoes, oh no, that’s not my steelo
I wanna bytch that like to play celo, and craps
Packin gats, in a Coach bag steamin dime bags
A real bytch is all I want, all I ever had (yeah, c’mon)
With a glock just as strong as me
Totin guns just as long as me, that bytch belongs with me

The same qualities that men must have in order not to be seen as soft, women must have in order to be anything more than sex objects. So is it surprising that some contradictory thoughts emerge in the heads of men who are looking for a girl who is as masculine (not in looks) as they are?

To conclude, homophobia and homoeroticism are intrinsically linked in Hip Hop. Negative attitudes towards ‘gays’ and ‘gayness’ are caused by an incredibly narrow and hyper-masculine view of manhood. But hyper-masculinity simultaneously causes a deep distrust of women (a cause of rap’s misogyny), and promotes male friendships as the deepest relationships that can be formed. And when friendship is elevated to such a high status, lines can be blurred. This is a topic that has been explored since eternity (Antonio and Bassano’s relationship in Shakespeare’s “The Merchant of Venice”, for example), but has yet to confronted in Hip Hop.

This just sounds like a demonic mind trick to get friends to accept being weak as strength. Thats just not what men are supposed to be friend. Men are supposed to be strong like raaaaaaaaa so we can protect our women like I GOT THIS. Id like to see the photograph of every man using words like hyper masculinity and if none of them look strong, its obvious its a demonic sith mind trick, friends. The gays have it confused so they're strong like raaa in how they deal with other hman beings, which is in a demonic fashion.

Its the gay rappers that hate women the most, go figure. How can you be hyper masculine, gay and hate women. Friends are acting like ancient Greeks out here.

Its so demonic, friends.

 

[theworldismine13]

Kind of like your posts in it after not even having read the article lmao Twimmy loves to flex his clown school PhD

Biggie came in the game on the back of Mr C... wait a minute Naw but latent homoeroticism is an underlying current of American culture in general, however, America lacks the courage/tools to deal with it or even acknowledge it.

What does that mean, I haven't even said anything about the article

 

[The Real]

This just sounds like a demonic mind trick to get friends to accept being weak as strength. Thats just not what men are supposed to be friend. Men are supposed to be strong like raaaaaaaaa so we can protect our women like I GOT THIS. Id like to see the photograph of every man using words like hyper masculinity and if none of them look strong, its obvious its a demonic sith mind trick, friends. The gays have it confused so they're strong like raaa in how they deal with other hman beings, which is in a demonic fashion.

Its the gay rappers that hate women the most, go figure. How can you be hyper masculine, gay and hate women.

Those 3 actually go together very well, friend, which is what the article tries to explain. I suggest you watch the documentary referenced in the link. The man who made it is a former football player and not gay or "feminine." The point is there is a difference between healthy masculinity and paranoid hyper-masculinity.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

Those 3 actually go together very well, friend, which is what the article tries to explain. I suggest you watch the documentary referenced in the link. The man who made it is a former football player and not gay or "feminine." The point is there is a difference between healthy masculinity and paranoid hyper-masculinity.

Hyper masculinity is the gay/single mother version of masculinity. Its Emotionalinity.

Still, i think this article skips over the need for this behavior in dangerous neighborhoods.

 

[Sam Peel]

the real is a well known battyman around london mates. killl them fakkits