Rasheed: “MJ wasn’t that good of a defender”

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He gambled a lot and wasn't Bruce Bowen on man to man but he was still above average on man to man defense and great off the ball. Played the passing lanes very well, was great at switching, excellent help defender him and Scottie both could just pressure the shyt out teams with their off ball movement/chemistry and he could give you rim protection from the perimeter with his explosiveness.


I don't understand this take. Few had the physical tools to do what Mike could off the ball.
He did gamble a lot, but he was still great on the ball. It was just the type of defender he was. He wasn't running up and down the court defender, or a fast paced defender. He was a make it hard for you to get to your spot, or beat you to your spot and be physical. The Bulls dynasty could run-n-gun, but they could also slow it down and play a grinding game. Which is why at different points, Pippen or MJ would be the better defender. But the thing was could they make you play the game they wanted, in which they could have the better matchup defensively.
 

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Sheed: "I couldn't put him on 10-11 consecutive All-Defensive teams. We know who put them votes up there, it's all the media. Mike's loved in the media. :ufdup:"


NBA: "Prior to the 2013–14 NBA season, voting was performed by the NBA head coaches, who were restricted from voting for players on their own team" :skip:
 

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He did gamble a lot, but he was still great on the ball. It was just the type of defender he was. He wasn't running up and down the court defender, or a fast paced defender. He was a make it hard for you to get to your spot, or beat you to your spot and be physical. The Bulls dynasty could run-n-gun, but they could also slow it down and play a grinding game. Which is why at different points, Pippen or MJ would be the better defender. But the thing was could they make you play the game they wanted, in which they could have the better matchup defensively.
Gotta disagree with you there. 90's Mike, sure. But young 80's Mike was running you down and smashing your shyt. He was definitely the king of the chase down block
 

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Sheed: "I couldn't put him on 10-11 consecutive All-Defensive teams. We know who put them votes up there, it's all the media. Mike's loved in the media. :ufdup:"


NBA: "Prior to the 2013–14 NBA season, voting was performed by the NBA head coaches, who were restricted from voting for players on their own team" :skip:
It always kills me when NBA players say shyt that can be easily looked up and disproven
 

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Arguably the best defensive 2-guard ever. Sheed don't know what he's talkin about.
Dumars, Moncrief, and Tony Allen were all better defenders than MJ. MJ might be the best superstar defender at the 2. I would give Kobe the m2m edge but MJ was a superior team defender especially in his prime in the title years. Especially in the playoffs when he took shyt serious on D.
 

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Was just about to point that out.

How you make such a bold statement and have no evidence to back to up? Mike was lockdown in the 80s....turned it up at will even in the 90s.

There wasn't a player of his generation that carried his scoring load and still played top notch defense on a night to night basis except maybe Dream.

If he's saying this about Mike i shudder to think about what he would say about Kobe:snoop:
He wasn't a lockdown in the 80s. He was a pest like Westbrook. Playing the passing lanes, always reaching, his defensive discipline was bad till Phil Jackson arrived. MJ was playing for stocks. Dean taught him how to be a great defender but MJ only had so much energy on D. He constantly conserved energy especially young MJ on D.
 

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Rasheed Wallace was in the league for 16 seasons and was NEVER picked for the all Defensive team

this nikka is mainly remembered for getting techs & rocking hi top ones :dahell:

MJ is MJ

But Sheed was arguably the best man to man post defender in the league

I argue with ppl all the time, he was a better man to man defender than Big Ben

Sheed is the reason the Pistons beat the Lakers in 04 bc he cut off Kobe's driving lanes to the basket

Sheed is arguably one of the 10 most talented big men ever in terms of pure skill
 

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MJ was a great defender

But Pippen was better on defense pretty much the whole three peat

Bird used to light up MJ, Magic lit up MJ so bad Pippen had to switch on him in the 91 finals

96-98 MJ lateral quickness had declined
This is a myth

Jordan guarded Magic more Than Pippen did and continued to guard him throughout the series
 
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