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The Cavs are actually extremely interesting this year. It's almost like they have two teams and two philosophies of play instead of one. With the big 3 they run a more balanced/dynamic approach but lately in certain tough situations they've reverted to old school Bron ball. Against Indy in game 3 when they were down big and tonight in the 4th to put the game away they just put like 4 guys in who need to be spoonfed the ball offensively to make plays and simplify their approach.
 
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Defensive opponents Lebron's faced in the finals:
Bowen/Ginobili/Duncan
Marion/Kidd/Chandler/Barea
Durant/Ibaka/Perkins
Leonard/Ginobili/Duncan
Leonard/Ginobili/Duncan
Grenn/Iggy/Thompson/Bogut
Green/Iggy/Thompson/Bogut

Defensive opponents Jordan's faced in finals:
Scott/Divac/Perkins
Drexler/Duckworth/Williams/Robinson
Majerle/Johnson/West
Payton/Kemp
Hornecek/Russell/Ostertag/Malone
Hornecek/Russell/Ostertag/Malone

When you look at the primary defenders & rim protection Lebron's had to face in the finals compared to Jordan,it's not even close.Jordan didn't have to face the best defender in the nba because he was already on his team(Pippen).....Jordan is the greatest player of all time,but Lebron is not far behind.
 
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Lebron 82% ft shooting in this series.He needs to stay above 80% for the rest of the playoffs.
 
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Mars said:
Defensive opponents Lebron's faced in the finals:
Bowen/Ginobili/Duncan
Marion/Kidd/Chandler/Barea
Durant/Ibaka/Perkins
Leonard/Ginobili/Duncan
Leonard/Ginobili/Duncan
Grenn/Iggy/Thompson/Bogut
Green/Iggy/Thompson/Bogut

Defensive opponents Jordan's faced in finals:
Scott/Divac/Perkins
Drexler/Duckworth/Williams/Robinson
Majerle/Johnson/West
Payton/Kemp
Hornecek/Russell/Ostertag/Malone
Hornecek/Russell/Ostertag/Malone

When you look at the primary defenders & rim protection Lebron's had to face in the finals compared to Jordan,it's not even close.Jordan didn't have to face the best defender in the nba because he was already on his team(Pippen).....Jordan is the greatest player of all time,but Lebron is not far behind.
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:deadrose: You think he faced better defenders in the finals thats fine but you have to make a bigger argument then that as to why he isnt close behind. Not to mention jordan scored on everyone :mjlol:
 
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This nicca Norman saw the bench and the thought of not having to guard Bron and went.


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hayesc0 said:
:deadrose: You think he faced better defenders in the finals thats fine but you have to make a bigger argument then that as to why he isnt close behind. Not to mention jordan scored on everyone :mjlol:
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My comment wasn't a knock on Jordan.I was just pointing out how tough the defense in the finals has been for lebron.
 
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hayesc0 said:
:deadrose: You think he faced better defenders in the finals thats fine but you have to make a bigger argument then that as to why he isnt close behind. Not to mention jordan scored on everyone :mjlol:
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In Jordan's day there were hardly any defenders his size who could hang with him. A 6'6", 220lb shooting guard was huge back then. Nowadays there aren't just a lot more tall, athletic guards, but there are a lot more athletic defensive stoppers with size who can give problems to elite twos.

With good team support, even slender 6'3" guys like Dumars and Payton were able to control Jordan to an extent (look at his numbers the last three games of the 1996 Finals). But too often he was facing slow/old guys like Hornacek and Ehlo and Majerle, or little guys like Scott and Starks. Or skinny Reggie. The number of Jordan defenders who couldn't break 180lbs is ridiculous, and most of them did NOT make up for it with elite technique.

Not to mention the lack of zones created real problems for help defense.

I'm not saying Jordan ain't the GOAT. But his accomplishments are a bit inflated by the weakness of the guys he faced. Nowadays there are a dozen or more players who could make him work at least as hard as Payton/Dumars did, and the fall-off after them isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.

Hell, JR Smith ain't going to make an all-defensive team in a million years today, but he's 6'6", 225lbs, athletic, and can play hard on D. How many guys like that did Jordan face, ever? You had Drexler and...?
 
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In Jordan's day there were hardly any defenders his size who could hang with him. A 6'6", 220lb shooting guard was huge back then. Nowadays there aren't just a lot more tall, athletic guards, but there are a lot more athletic defensive stoppers with size who can give problems to elite twos.

With good team support, even slender 6'3" guys like Dumars and Payton were able to control Jordan to an extent (look at his numbers the last three games of the 1996 Finals). But too often he was facing slow/old guys like Hornacek and Ehlo and Majerle, or little guys like Scott and Starks. Or skinny Reggie. The number of Jordan defenders who couldn't break 180lbs is ridiculous, and most of them did NOT make up for it with elite technique.

Not to mention the lack of zones created real problems for help defense.

I'm not saying Jordan ain't the GOAT. But his accomplishments are a bit inflated by the weakness of the guys he faced. Nowadays there are a dozen or more players who could make him work at least as hard as Payton/Dumars did, and the fall-off after them isn't nearly as bad as it used to be.

Hell, JR Smith ain't going to make an all-defensive team in a million years today, but he's 6'6", 225lbs, athletic, and can play hard on D. How many guys like that did Jordan face, ever? You had Drexler and...?
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This narrative is such bullshyt im not gonna go into it because i already have before but arguably two of the best perimeter defenders in the league are 6'4 and 6'3 teams hid zone defenses all the time and you could hand check nikkas back then.
 
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