Rappers gotta chill on the jewelry/money talk...

[theworldismine13]

Self-destructive materialism is an American phenomenon, not a black phenomenon. It has nothing to do with rap music. To look at materialism in the black community as a black phenomenon influenced solely by factors unique to black people is a mistake.

if the American people want to jump off a bridge it doesn't mean black people have to join them

ahe difference between black people engaging in materialism is that black people do not have the generational wealth to back it up and recover from wasteful spending, other people do have that, that is why what black rappers are doing is retarded and the image they are portraying is a how to guide to become a broke ass motherfuker

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

if the American people want to jump off a bridge it doesn't mean black people have to join them

Who said they did?

ahe difference between black people engaging in materialism is that black people do not have the generational wealth to back it up and recover from wasteful spending, other people do have that, that is why what black rappers are doing is retarded and the image they are portraying is a how to guide to become a broke ass motherfuker

Rappers are not responsible to the outcomes of their audiences lives. There are plenty of people who listen to rap and dont engage in any of the activities they promote. So clearly there are other factors at play.

Mindless materialism in rap is bad, but only because it is blunting the artform. It has no bearing on black wealth/progress. You repeating the same disproved talking points and "TWISM buzzwords" won't change that

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

there is a correlation and a symbiotic relationship with society, media and art impacts what people spend money on, it's not just rap music, that's true of everything

The notion that music and art do not effect people's buying habits is really a retarded thing to say, there is mountains of evidence that show that what people on tv impacts what they buy, I don't even see how any intelligent person can live in America and not know that or why anybody thinks that there is something special about black people or rap music where black people are not impacted by what rappers say

If I have to explain to you how the media impacts consumer choices you obviously live under a rock and are completely ignorant of this multibillion dollar industry called "the advertising industry" why don't you use google and learn about the advertising industry and maybe they can explain better than me how the media that a person consumes effects how people spend their money

NO CHIT SHERLOCK.

we know how advertising and the media works.

we're talking about how yall are in here putting to much stock in rap and acting as if rap music has some sort of stranglehold on black society.

and like dude said, most of these "issues" aren't even black issues. theyre color-less.

I had this as a kid living in the projects....no idea the games costed that damn much. thank u mom

yea, the big marque titles were very expensive. I used to be up in toys r us like

whats crazy is that the playstation games were a lot cheaper when they blew up. Im pretty sure that my copy of madden '97 was a lot cheaper than that SNES price, and playstation was a next-level platform.

 

[theworldismine13]

Who said they did?

You are saying that, you just gave a speech on how problems in the black community are just the same problems as everybody else after I said I'm talking specifically about black people

Rappers are not responsible to the outcomes of their audiences lives. There are plenty of people who listen to rap and dont engage in any of the activities they promote.

That's like saying they are plenty of people that have sex but don't have children

So clearly there are other factors at play.

Sure I agree there are other factors, I just happen to include rap music as a factor

Mindless materialism in rap is bad, but only because it is blunting the artform. It has no bearing on black wealth/progress. You repeating the same disproved talking points and "TWISM buzzwords" won't change that

Well again culture has a huge impact on black wealth and progress, how a person views money is part of your culture, and rap music is a part of the culture

I don't think rap music has a direct impact, but as part of an overall culture and as part of the media it has an indirect impact on black wealth inasmuch as its encouraging and promoting behavior and viewing money in ways that will have people end up as broke ass motherfukers

What is also blunting the art form is the intellectual stagnation caused by people unwilling to accept any criticism or any responsibility of the impact of rap music

 

[Homeboy Runny-Ray]

Who said they did?



Rappers are not responsible to the outcomes of their audiences lives. There are plenty of people who listen to rap and dont engage in any of the activities they promote. So clearly there are other factors at play.

Mindless materialism in rap is bad, but only because it is blunting the artform. It has no bearing on black wealth/progress. You repeating the same disproved talking points and "TWISM buzzwords" won't change that

basically.

im done. ive come to the realization that this is dude's schtick.

 

[theworldismine13]

NO CHIT SHERLOCK.

we know how advertising and the media works.

we're talking about how yall are in here putting to much stock in rap and acting as if rap music has some sort of stranglehold on black society.

and like dude said, most of these "issues" aren't even black issues. theyre color-less.
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You are the one that gave a speech saying rap music doesn't effect consumer choices and it doesn't effect people which is obviously false, all media has a huge impact in how people behave and what choices they make

Secondly you told another lie saying that rap music is simply a reflection and that is it, that goes against everything that is known about art and society, anybody that has studied art and society knows that both impact each other in a circular way

So for you to say rap is just a reflection is a lie, rap, like any artform or media also impacts society

I'm talking about rap music as if its the dominant form of music in black society so therefore it stands to reason that it has an impact on black people

You can argue whether it's good or bad, but the notion that it has no impact is clearly a lie

as far as other people, Im not speaking on that, "other people" can go ahead and do whatever they want, I'm talking specifically about black people and black culture

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I don't think rap music has a direct impact, but as part of an overall culture and as part of the media it has an indirect impact on black wealth inasmuch as its encouraging and promoting behavior and viewing money in ways that will have people end up as broke ass motherfukers

What is the difference between a direct and indirect impact

Either rap music is making people make poor choices or it isnt

 

[Francis White]

Average rap fan makes less than $30,000 year before taxes.
(You can argue that this figure is low but its accurate and I will debate you on this with data if you feel like the average rap fan earns more than $30,000 a year...)

Anyway I just think a part of the disconnect with rappers and fans and the steady decline of rap CD sales might have something to do with the flaunting of wealth to the fans. Fans might feel less of a duty to buy the CD if they are constantly reminded of the G's and stacks their favorite artist talks about on every song.

You really think the average rap fan makes less than 30k before taxes? That is poverty level now.

 

[jilla82]

theres really no such thing as a shiny suit era. its an overstatement.

wutang peaked during this so-called era. bone thugs knocked puffy out the #1 slot. no limit records officially became an empire. the refugee all-stars had the whole neo-soul crowd, rap/r&b hybrid chit on lock. "2pac was still alive", droppin new albums and selling trillions of records. BCC was still huge, 3-6 mafia was coming thru, the west coast was still doing they thing, the Midwest double-time chit was at its peak, female rap was at its apex of success, you had the roots, dungeon family, common, rawkus was about to blow, old school rappers were bustin thru the cracks and getting a 2nd wind, so so def was jam central, the swing mob had mad hits, the def squad was big. you had dudes like jeru da damaja dominating the rap city countdown.

and man, that's just off the top of my head.

what choices do you have now? seriously? I can count them on less than one hand.

nahh bruh....youre just naming the big acts.
People forget about all the copy cats

 

[theworldismine13]

What is the difference between a direct and indirect impact

Either rap music is making people make poor choices or it isnt

The difference between direct and indirect is how many factors are involved, if there are multiple factors then it's indirect, if there is a sole factor or a couple of factors then it is direct

Rap music is an indirect cause because it is just one of many factors

Also it depends how specific the issue is, crime and materialism are general and generic so any specific cause will most likely have to be indirect

So for example if you ask why do people buy Jordans, you can say is a direct cause of people buying Jordan's

But if you ask the question why are people buying more sneakers, then you can say is an indirect cause of the increase in sneaker sales, becuase he is just one of multiple factors

I hope that helps, let me know if you need clarification on anything else cuz I know you have low reading comprehension skills, the God Emperor is always here to spread knowledge and overstanding even to scum like yourself

 

[theworldismine13]

double

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

The difference between direct and indirect is how many factors are involved, if there are multiple factors then it's indirect, if there is a sole factor or a couple of factors then it is direct

Rap music is an indirect cause because it is just one of many factors

Also it depends how specific the issue is, crime and materialism are general and generic so any specific cause will most likely have to be indirect

So for example if you ask why do people buy Jordans, you can say is a direct cause of people buying Jordan's

But if you ask the question why are people buying more sneakers, then you can say is an indirect cause of the increase in sneaker sales, becuase he is just one of multiple factors

I hope that helps, let me know if you need clarification on anything else cuz I know you have low reading comprehension skills, the God Emperor is always here to spread knowledge and overstanding even to scum like yourself

A factor either has an impact or it doesnt

The lack of intra-generational wealth has an impact on black wealth. You can draw a clear line from A to B. The recession has had an impact on black wealth. You can draw a clear line from A to B. There is a clear path of causation. You have been typing up novels on the connection between rap and black wealth because there isn't one. There are wealthy rap fans. There are poor rap detractors. Conspicuous consumption has been a part of black culture long before rap even existed. Rap is a symptom. Rap is a result. Rap is not a factor or a cause.

 

[theworldismine13]

A factor either has an impact or it doesnt

The lack of intra-generational wealth has an impact on black wealth. You can draw a clear line from A to B. The recession has had an impact on black wealth. You can draw a clear line from A to B. There is a clear path of causation. You have been typing up novels on the connection between rap and black wealth because there isn't one. There are wealthy rap fans. There are poor rap detractors. Conspicuous consumption has been a part of black culture long before rap even existed. Rap is a symptom. Rap is a result. Rap is not a factor or a cause.

Im not sure ehat your point is, you asked me a question and I answered it

Yeah a factor has an impact, but you can also characterize the impact as being high impact or low impact, or as you were asking direct or indirect

The recession was not the only reason for loss of black wealth, there were multiple factors behind it, black people were more susceptible to the recession becuase of lack of savings and lack of investment, so the amount of money people are saving has an impact

And if part of the reason black people are not saving money is becuase of cultural reasons then culture is part of the reason for the loss of black wealth and if black people are being impacted by media and music that is not encouraging saving money that that media is indirectly responsible for the loss of black wealth also

Rap like any art is not merely a symptom, it is both a symptom and a cause

 

[theworldismine13]

Here is the story again for those who missed it, I think all black people need to read this and be aware of it

African-Americans' savings*fall short - Business - CNBC TV | NBC News

I think any black person should be upset at art or media that encourages wasteful spending on luxury items, becuase that impacts the level of black wealth

We need to change black culture to one that encourages savings and investment, and education too, these black rappers and their garbage rap music need to stop and move over so that we can elevate black culture

 

[theworldismine13]

basically.

im done. ive come to the realization that this is dude's schtick.

yeah, i hope you are done because what you said is a lie

art and society interact each other, and art impacts society, its not a one way street

and media does impact people's behavior