Rappers gotta chill on the jewelry/money talk...

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Im not sure ehat your point is, you asked me a question and I answered it

Yeah a factor has an impact, but you can also characterize the impact as being high impact or low impact, or as you were asking direct or indirect

The recession was not the only reason for loss of black wealth, there were multiple factors behind it, black people were more susceptible to the recession becuase of lack of savings and lack of investment, so the amount of money people are saving has an impact

And if part of the reason black people are not saving money is becuase of cultural reasons then culture is part of the reason for the loss of black wealth and if black people are being impacted by media and music that is not encouraging saving money that that media is indirectly responsible for the loss of black wealth also

Rap like any art is not merely a symptom, it is both a symptom and a cause

Rap is a symptom

W/o the terrible socioeconomic conditions in the South Bronx there would be no rap. Rap did not make the South Bronx terrible

There are factors and then there are symptoms. Saying rap is a factor of the black condition is like saying a runny nose is a factor causing a cold. Its idiotic and completely backwards

 

[Wild self]

Rap was built of having the good life, but there is a difference between "I'm living good, have bad broads, but things are fukked up out here, My lady is getting on my nerves, I just had a child, my people was partying, got drunk, and high, and was wilding, so the police was some a$$holes" to "I have $1200 shoes, jeans, smoke the best weed, fukk all these bad bytches, make it rain in the club, I fukked your bytch, just brought a bugatti or lambo, I get high all day off of pills, weed, and alcohol, I'm not a rapper, I'm a hustler, fukk that rapping shyt, I ain't trying to kick knowledge, and you got a regular job, you're a loser".

You don't have to listen to these type of songs, which is EXACTLY what is happening. How can someone listen to songs like this all day, and not FEEL dumb, is something I don't understand. When I would listen to that shyt, and then watch the science channel or some type of political/business show, I really felt like my thinking was at the bottom of the barrel. I keep that shyt to a minimum.

:shake: best post in this thread. Especially these bum ass rappers that tell people to "stop hating," but hate on another person cause they ain't showing off like them.

 

[theworldismine13]

Rap is a symptom

W/o the terrible socioeconomic conditions in the South Bronx there would be no rap. Rap did not make the South Bronx terrible

There are factors and then there are symptoms. Saying rap is a factor of the black condition is like saying a runny nose is a factor causing a cold. Its idiotic and completely backwards

How the fuk can rap be a symptom of the south bronx, I swear you rap motherfukers disgust me, y'all are a disgrace to hip hop culture
and you guys have the nerve to attack me for shifting on rap?

Rap is an element of hip hop culture, rap is an art form that came out of the south Bronx and was a way to for people in the ghetto to express themselves and to address issues in their communities,

where the fuk do you get this shyt that rap was a symptom of the south bronx , the purpose of rap was to address the socioeconomic conditions of the south bronx, you dumb non hip hop fuk

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

How the fuk can rap be a symptom of the south bronx, I swear you rap motherfukers disgust me, y'all are a disgrace to hip hop culture
and you guys have the nerve to attack me for shifting on rap?

Rap is an element of hip hop culture, rap is an art form that came out of the south Bronx and was a way to for people in the ghetto to express themselves and to address issues in their communities,

where the fuk do you get this shyt that rap was a symptom of the south bronx , the purpose of rap was to address the socioeconomic conditions of the south bronx, you dumb non hip hop fuk

So in other words rap was borne out of the conditions in the South Bronx like I just fukking said :userious:

 

[Wild self]

You are the one that gave a speech saying rap music doesn't effect consumer choices and it doesn't effect people which is obviously false, all media has a huge impact in how people behave and what choices they make

Secondly you told another lie saying that rap music is simply a reflection and that is it, that goes against everything that is known about art and society, anybody that has studied art and society knows that both impact each other in a circular way

So for you to say rap is just a reflection is a lie, rap, like any artform or media also impacts society

I'm talking about rap music as if its the dominant form of music in black society so therefore it stands to reason that it has an impact on black people

You can argue whether it's good or bad, but the notion that it has no impact is clearly a lie

as far as other people, Im not speaking on that, "other people" can go ahead and do whatever they want, I'm talking specifically about black people and black culture

He said that down south rap music was pushed to dumb down the black population, but denies the long term effects of rap consumerism.

this explains it perfectly.

 

[theworldismine13]

So in other words rap was borne out of the conditions in the South Bronx like I just fukking said :userious:

No that is part of what you should have said, saying rap music was a symptom shows a lack of respect, that's like telling a child he is just a symptom of being pregnant

But that is only part of the issues with your disgusting non hip hop post, the other part is the purpose of rap was to provide a platform for people in the ghetto to express themselves and to address issues in their community, the fact that rap music provides neither of those things today is why rap music is garbage and detrimental to black people

Today the main purpose of rap music is to entertain the mainstream audience by exploiting the situation in the ghetto by providing sex violence and degeneracy to the general public, so you can say rap music today, which is garbage, is a symptom of the appetite for degeneracy

But Rap was not a symptom of the south Bronx, hip hop which includes rap was a reaction and a counter force to the situation in the south Bronx, Rap was the antidote, you non hip hop scum

 

[theworldismine13]

He said that down south rap music was pushed to dumb down the black population, but denies the long term effects of rap consumerism.

this explains it perfectly.

Yeah that graphic explains what's happening, also another way to look at it is that there was a point in time when rap music had to be defended but that was when rap music was a way for the ghetto to express ourselves and address issues in our community, once that was no longer the case and rap was just a way to entertain the general public and feed corporate america then rap was not worth defending, but dudes will still defend rap becuase that is what tradition tells them to do

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

No that is part of what you should have said, saying rap music was a symptom shows a lack of respect, that's like telling a child he is just a symptom of being pregnant

But that is only part of the issues with your disgusting non hip hop post, the other part is the purpose of rap was to provide a platform for people in the ghetto to express themselves and to address issues in their community, the fact that rap music provides neither of those things today is why rap music is garbage and detrimental to black people

Today the main purpose of rap music is to entertain the mainstream audience by exploiting the situation in the ghetto by providing sex violence and degeneracy to the general public, so you can say rap music today, which is garbage, is a symptom of the appetite for degeneracy

But Rap was not a symptom of the south Bronx, hip hop which includes rap was a reaction and a counter force to the situation in the south Bronx, Rap was the antidote, you non hip hop scum

You are too hung up on one word and contradicting yourself.

Rap is a symptom in that rap was borne out of bad conditions, not the other way around, and not that all rap is is a symptom.

My point is very clear. Black culture drives rap, not the other way around. It doesnt flow from the music to the culture and it is not a 50/50 two way street. Rap was created as a means of people in the ghetto telling their stories and that is what it is today. Just because you dont agree with the music being made today does not mean the fundamental reasons for rap's existence have changed.

 

[Wild self]

Yeah that graphic explains what's happening, also another way to look at it is that there was a point in time when rap music had to be defended but that was when rap music was a way for the ghetto to express ourselves and address issues in our community, once that was no longer the case and rap was just a way to entertain the general public and feed corporate america then rap was not worth defending, but dudes will still defend rap becuase that is what tradition tells them to do

shyt is a brainwashing effect on weak minded people. People don't even go to religious services like that anymore, but they party like animals 2-3 times a week religiously. Now, these young dudes are thinking that you gotta have swag to bag bytches, that bytches = everything in life, and the club is where everything goes down.

 

[theworldismine13]

You are too hung up on one word and contradicting yourself.

Rap is a symptom in that rap was borne out of bad conditions, not the other way around, and not that all rap is is a symptom.

My point is very clear. Black culture drives rap, not the other way around. It doesnt flow from the music to the culture and it is not a 50/50 two way street. Rap was created as a means of people in the ghetto telling their stories and that is what it is today. Just because you dont agree with the music being made today does not mean the fundamental reasons for rap's existence have changed.

My point is very clear, the notion that the interaction betwee art and society is one way is complete absolute bullshyt there is no evidence anywhere in any human society or civilization that has ever existed on planet earth that shows your point to be true

Art impacts society, society impacts art, there is no reason to think that it's any different when it comes to black people and rap music

Art and society are symbiotic

And i didn't say the reasons for rap's existence haven't changed, what I'm saying is that rap is not meeting the purpose it was designed for

And actually the fact that I and other people think it's not reflecting the real lives of black people or its not going in a direction that we like means a lot, it shows that rap is actually more reflective of corporate America and stereotypes than to actual expression of black life

Rap is suppose to address socioeconomic issues, the savings rate in the black community is a socioeconomic issue that rappers should address

 

[Tuc2DaBoot]

shyt is a brainwashing effect on weak minded people. People don't even go to religious services like that anymore, but they party like animals 2-3 times a week religiously. Now, these young dudes are thinking that you gotta have swag to bag bytches, that bytches = everything in life, and the club is where everything goes down.

Exactly. Which is what a LOT of people in this thread are doing their best to downplay.

Rap only dumbs down and consumes the weak minded. Those who have no plans of moving out of the hood. Those who think the best thing in life is getting free at the club while rocking some new Js. Those who would rather stay in the projects to avoid paying regular bills.

Those people listen to rap religiously because it's their gateway to escape and reflects how they really want to live. And it's easy to talk about flipping bricks to get money around their way than opening up their own legal business.

I mean I'm talking about 19 year olds with 3 year old kids who can't read Cat In The Hat but know every word to Bugatti. And spell it Boogatee. The kid AND the parents.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

Now, these young dudes are thinking that you gotta have swag to bag bytches

AT WHAT POINT IN HISTORY WERE MEN ABLE TO GET bytchES WITHOUT ANY SWAG AT ALL, BROTHER?

 

[Wild self]

Exactly. Which is what a LOT of people in this thread are doing their best to downplay.

Rap only dumbs down and consumes the weak minded. Those who have no plans of moving out of the hood. Those who think the best thing in life is getting free at the club while rocking some new Js. Those who would rather stay in the projects to avoid paying regular bills.

Those people live to rap religiously because it's their gateway to escape and reflects how they really want to live. And it's easy to talk about flipping bricks to get money around their way than opening up their own legal business.

I mean I'm talking about 19 year olds with 3 year old kids who can't read Cat In The Hat but know every word to Bugatti. And spell it Boogatee. The kid AND the parents.

Yup the breakdown of society. b*stardized rap music is fuel for that ratchet shyt. SMH @ me knowing healthy 4 year olds that can barely speak, but their moms partying 2-3 times a week leaving her daughter by her older sister to get side dikk.

 

[Wild self]

AT WHAT POINT IN HISTORY WERE MEN ABLE TO GET bytchES WITHOUT ANY SWAG AT ALL, BROTHER?

Getting bytches is not everything in life. HULK HOGAN has a hobby that gained him respect.

 

[Mac Casper]

Rappers give no fukks about what you can afford in your budget lifestyle