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... and they won 65 games and got up 3-2 on the greatest team of all time before CP3 lost his hammy.

The offense was just fine in 2018 with both guys playing.
The offense was fine because they're both great offensive players. But the chemistry was ass, CP3 hated playing with Harden on the court, and their net rating was actually better when Harden was benched cause the defense was so much better without him.

One of Paul’s biggest beefs, sources said, was that Harden basically opted not to participate in the Rockets’ offense when the ball wasn’t in his hands, sometimes barely stepping over half court while spectating when Paul had the ball. Harden quickly tired of Paul barking about his concerns, which included lobbying coach Mike D’Antoni to implement more structure and movement in an offensive system that revolved around Harden’s isolations, sources said.

It seems like Harden wasn’t content when the ball wasn’t in his hands, checking out of the offense and refusing to comply with CP3. On the surface, it certainly appears like the same could be said for his dynamic with Russell Westbrook as well.

Despite being one of the best players in the game, James Harden’s track record with the Rockets has come with a lot of controversies. From Dwight Howard to Chris Paul and now Russell Westbrook, many star players have been exiled from Houston before achieving any sort of success.

Harden, who has been the center of a culture now being exposed as toxic, is struggling to keep the story contained.

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I literally came in to ask if the Mavs end up with a below expected record how long until the Luka dominates the ball too much talk starts:russ:

Same mfs who clown Harden game praise Luka . Shyt weird

I can't deny Luka's talent, but it's hard to watch his style of play. He's like a less athletic Harden with worse shooting. He seems very reliant on the refs. It's just not fun to watch.

Jay Crowder was interviewed by the Arizona media weeks ago and he said he took less money per year to join the Suns instead of the Mavs because he liked his fit better. I can understand why.

Crowder didn't even have a great shooting night in his debut, but you immediately noticed the difference between the Suns and Mavs offense. Booker didn't dominate the game, CP3 didn't dominate, Suns rotation players were more involved.

Nobody wants to stand in a corner and be the cpu in Luka's real life Mycareer.
 

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The offense was fine because they're both great offensive players. But the chemistry was ass, CP3 hated playing with Harden on the court, and their net rating was actually better when Harden was benched cause the defense was so much better without him.



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I'm a Houstonian who watched every game, I dont need you to tell me about my team breh lol

For all the bytching and moaning that came after the fact.. they were arguably a hammy injury away from a championship. The same hammy that fukked them in 2019 and had everyone laughing at Morey/HOU for extending Paul. The same Paul who admitted he bytched and moaned too much during the Lob City years.

You made my point: the offense was fine and the team kicked ass bc they are both great offensive players. Just like Jokic is.
 

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I'm a Houstonian who watched every game, I dont need you to tell me about my team breh lol

For all the bytching and moaning that came after the fact.. they were arguably a hammy injury away from a championship. The same hammy that fukked them in 2019 and had everyone laughing at Morey/HOU for extending Paul. The same Paul who admitted he bytched and moaned too much during the Lob City years.

You made my point: the offense was fine and the team kicked ass bc they are both great offensive players. Just like Jokic is.
Look deeper at exactly what CP3 is saying and what the numbers show. Harden stands around without the ball when he's not the focal point. And the defense sucks when he's on the court.

Now imagine you pair him with Jokic. If Jokic has the ball, Harden is standing around rather than doing the off-ball movement that makes Jokic great. If Harden has the ball, then Jokic isn't a great off-ball option. And they're BOTH bad defenders, Denver survives in part with their guards being really active defenders and putting Harden in there without other great options kills you.

Their strengths cancel each other out and their weaknesses compile. It's not a good move.

If the Nuggets want to win now, then they need to improve their defense, not their offense. They averaged 109ppg on 48% shooting against a very good Laker defense in last year's ECF, and 104ppg on 47% shooting against a Clippers defense that started 3 star defenders. But the Lakers averaged 114ppg on 50% shooting against them and the Clippers averaged 103ppg on 45% shooting even while playing with both hands around their neck. Now that they're giving MPJ the minutes that used to belong to Jeremi Grant, the offense is going to be even better and the defense is going to be even worse.

How could you put together a trade for Harden that wouldn't leave the Nuggets totally depleted on the defensive end AND with too many guys who want the ball and not enough to shoot it on the offensive end?
 

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Look deeper at exactly what CP3 is saying and what the numbers show.
No nygga.

ol buddy said "it's not a good fit because Harden needs the ball in his hands."

I said "he did it fairly well with CP3"

You said: "the offense was fine because they are both great offensive players."

Yea, that's the point. You agree with me.

If you want to digress into another anti-James Harden rant shyt, you should've just said so from jump, so i'd have just said no thanks.
 

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I can't deny Luka's talent, but it's hard to watch his style of play. He's like a less athletic Harden with worse shooting. He seems very reliant on the refs. It's just not fun to watch.

Jay Crowder was interviewed by the Arizona media weeks ago and he said he took less money per year to join the Suns instead of the Mavs because he liked his fit better. I can understand why.

Crowder didn't even have a great shooting night in his debut, but you immediately noticed the difference between the Suns and Mavs offense. Booker didn't dominate the game, CP3 didn't dominate, Suns rotation players were more involved.

Nobody wants to stand in a corner and be the cpu in Luka's real life Mycareer.

I figure at some point in this year's playoffs, Luke is gonna face a team that has no frail defenders he can hunt in the PnR or no frail interior he can bully unimpeded to the basket. It might be Utah, it might be a rematch with LAC.. but it kinda feels inevitable. At which point, it'll get ugly for him and the fangs will come out from the media.

Or Porzningis will just get hurt again and they'll blame it on his teammates :manny:
 

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No nygga.

ol buddy said "it's not a good fit because Harden needs the ball in his hands."


I said "he did it fairly well with CP3"

You said: "the offense was fine because they are both great offensive players."

Yea, that's the point. You agree with me.

If you want to digress into another anti-James Harden rant shyt, you should've just said so from jump, so i'd have just said no thanks.
And CP3 literally said that Harden needs the ball in his hands or he doesn't participate in the offense. :mjlol:

Pointing out that the offense "worked" when Harden was surrounded by CP3, Gordon, Tucker, Ariza, and Capela is meaningless. ANYONE could have a good offense with those guys around them, whether or not the chemistry and fit sucked.

Isn't it crazy to you that pulling CP3 but not Harden off the floor barely affected the offensive rating, and pulling Harden but not CP3 off the floor only slightly lowered it? If taking an all-time offensive talent like CP3 or Harden off the floor doesn't affect your offense, then you're clearly not using their talent well when they're together.

Jokic isn't an all-time great shooter like CP3 who is just going to pop off-ball threes whenever he gets the ball. And the Nuggets aren't a team of 3-and-D guys who can just wait for the pass like the Rockets have. What would the lineup even be, Harden-Murray-Millsap-Hartenstein-Jokic or some shyt? You really think that lineup goes anywhere?

You don't take your best player and neuter his dominant offensive skill when he doesn't have other elite skills. Jokic as an off-ball weapon in the Harden offense is just a bad idea.
 

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I doubt it. They’ll be making excuses for him about how he’s young and has no help until he’s 35.

He’s the favorite for MVP and people are picking them to finish top 3 in the west, shouldn’t be any excuse

Don’t forget he’s white. His honeymoon phase will last a little longer
Lmao

Yea yall are right, shyt :mjlol:

Cac-Harden got some time. I can't see them being a top 3 seed tho but the MVP campaign already started for buddy during the offseason.
 

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There is some talent in the league right now. This season should be real competitive. Fewer “off nights” gimme games. This year gone have me sitting on my couch watching League Pass all year.

It would've been very interesting if Klay had stayed healthy; i felt we were primed to have our best playoffs since 2011. And even with GSW shot, we may still have that. LAL, LAC, DEN, UTA... BK, MIA, MIL, BOS... would be a fire 2nd round series through Finals if no upsets were to occur... but there's enough talent-heavy young teams (ATL, PHO, DAL, NOP, etc) and those looking for redemption (PHI, POR, WASH) that the first round can be fireworks.

League is in a good place, just needs sustained health.
 
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