Rand Paul Confronts the GOP's Race Problem

[theworldismine13]

I've already mentioned previously that segregation would only result in more racism and hatred from all racial groups. By closing yourself off from the rest of America, you're validating racists that say our differences of culture cannot be overcome ("They're just too different," as racists usually claim). Thus, in the end, it's my opinion that economic and individual rights would be infringed by the government just through public opinion once the racial tension and hatred is ratcheted up. That would do nothing but do even MORE to isolate majority black populated communities around the nation.

yeah i understand that is your opinion and i disagree, i lean more toward the libertarian side and say the government shouldn't have the power in the first place, government cant abuse power it doesnt have

 

[Dyce25]

yeah i understand that is your opinion and i disagree, i lean more toward the libertarian side and say the government shouldn't have the power in the first place, government cant abuse power it doesnt have

So, you're in favor of the federal government and state governments turning their back (funds and all) on these highly concentrated black areas in favor of what exactly? A black "reservation" of sorts only supported and governed by the immediate area?

 

[theworldismine13]

I'm really about to start having to question your comprehension if you keep insisting that I said all blacks are "trapped" in the inner-cities and isolated pockets of the South. Reread the quote, or my own original post, and you'll see a clear distinction between the two phrases. I never even said majority of black people were in those areas. I used terms like "a good amount" or some. I'm not trying to be an a$$hole at all, but I really hate being forced into defending positions I never took. I hate being misrepresented in my thoughts, ideas, and writings. We can have a discussion about this issue, but please stick to the facts of the conversation. I hate having to clarify myself over and over and will, at some point, conclude that you are either purposely misrepresenting my views to your gain or you lack the comprehension to understand them. In either case, I will understand that there's no purpose in debating the topic with you, and I'll politely move on.

i dont see what the big difference is, i challenge the notion that SOME black people are "trapped" or that SOME segregation is necessarily a bad thing

imo its better to look at it in terms of violation of economic and individual rights, when you put it in terms of segregation, i think you come up with ineffective policy solutions which is what has happened the past 25 years

 

[Dyce25]

i dont see what the big difference is, i challenge the notion that SOME black people are "trapped" or that SOME segregation is necessarily a bad thing

imo its better to look at it in terms of violation of economic and individual rights, when you put it in terms of segregation, i think you come up with ineffective policy solutions which is what has happened the past 25 years

So, my black friends who constantly speak of getting out of this corrupt, forgotten little town of South Carolina, but can't because of the economic conditions, aren't "trapped?" Also, there's a big difference between the two statements; "all" and "some" have totally different meanings. I'm sure we're in agreement on that.

 

[theworldismine13]

So, you're in favor of the federal government and state governments turning their back (funds and all) on these highly concentrated black areas in favor of what exactly? A black "reservation" of sorts only supported and governed by the immediate area?

i dont know what you mean turning thier back, im in favor of the government protecting the economic and individual rights of all american citizens

the government doesnt have the right to create reservations or to tell any american citizen where they should live

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Im not going back and forth with a dude who doesn't read what I write. Reality is what you make it Twimmy, have at it

 

[Dyce25]

i dont know what you mean turning thier back, im in favor of the government protecting the economic and individual rights of all american citizens

the government doesnt have the right to create reservations or to tell any american citizen where they should live

It seems that you have a perspective that says basically, "Leave me (or us) completely alone, and we'll be fine." Unfortunately, due to America's past, this just isn't the case today. Without government support at this juncture racism would begin to take hold again, and black communities would be completely abandoned by the state and federal governments. Life and living conditions for black people would resort back to being even more horrible than today. People shouldn't work toward creating something separate; rather, people should work from inside to change the culture of America overall. This means working through politics and the government.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

It seems that you have a perspective that says basically, "Leave me (or us) completely alone, and we'll be fine." Unfortunately, due to America's past, this just isn't the case today. Without government support at this juncture racism would begin to take hold again and black communities would be completely abandoned by the state and federal governments. Life and living conditions for black people would resort back to being even more horrible than today.

TWISM has no perspective. You are wasting your time.

 

[theworldismine13]

So, my black friends who constantly speak of getting out of this corrupt, forgotten little town of South Carolina, but can't because of the economic conditions, aren't "trapped?" Also, there's a big difference between the two statements; "all" and "some" have totally different meanings. I'm sure we're in agreement on that.

that sounds like a generic problem

there are a lot of people that feel trapped where they live, for different reason, so i cant speak on particulars

but overall we want a free flow of trade and of people in the country, its your right as a citizen to go anywhere and governments should protect your right to go anywhere you want to go

 

[theworldismine13]

It seems that you have a perspective that says basically, "Leave me (or us) completely alone, and we'll be fine." Unfortunately, due to America's past, this just isn't the case today. Without government support at this juncture racism would begin to take hold again, and black communities would be completely abandoned by the state and federal governments. Life and living conditions for black people would resort back to being even more horrible than today. People shouldn't work toward creating something separate; rather, people should work from inside to change the culture of America overall. This means working through politics and the government.

i would strongly disagree with your predictions, im not for or against segregation, im for the free flow of people and capital and im for protecting economic and individual rights

and as long as its not government mandated or enforced i dont see anything wrong with concentrations of particular ethnic groups, its a free country

 

[Dyce25]

that sounds like a generic problem

there are a lot of people that feel trapped where they live, for different reason, so i cant speak on particulars

but overall we want a free flow of trade and of people in the country, its your right as a citizen to go anywhere and governments should protect your right to go anywhere you want to go

Of course, but do you not see how the problem affects black populations at much higher rates? If not, I don't know what to tell you. Black populations are already mistreated in terms of funds and help from government entities, which creates a recurring cycle. Education is vital and is almost non-existent in towns like mine. If they were even more densely populated by black people, there would be even more mistreatment and worse conditions. I don't understand how you're missing this point.

 

[theworldismine13]

Of course, but do you not see how the problem affects black populations at much higher rates? If not, I don't know what to tell you. Black populations are already mistreated in terms of funds and help from government entities, which creates a recurring cycle. Education is vital and is almost non-existent in towns like mine. If they were even more densely populated by black people, there would be even more mistreatment and worse conditions. I don't understand how you're missing this point.

im aware of problems that black people have but i do not agree with some of the liberal ideas designed to solve them, i think you can get good ideas from anybody and im simply more open to conservative/libertarian ideas that focus on individual and economic liberties as opposed to government action and i do not agree that high concentrations of black people should be treated as a bad thing

i think you are missing the point that im simply open to more ideas and solutions from all places and people

 

[theworldismine13]

Im not going back and forth with a dude who doesn't read what I write. Reality is what you make it Twimmy, have at it

i think whats funny is that you were the one defending economic discrimination

 

[Dyce25]

im aware of problems that black people have but i do not agree with some of the liberal ideas designed to solve them, i think you can get good ideas from anybody and im simply more open to conservative/libertarian ideas that focus on individual and economic liberties as opposed to government action and i do not agree that high concentrations of black people should be treated as a bad thing

i think you are missing the point that im simply open to more ideas and solutions from all places and people

No, I'm not missing that. I think that's an under-represented group among intelligent people, and an over-represented group among unintelligent people. I think it's for the best that any intelligent person stay open to other ideas as you are. I'm not against that at all. For me, I would absolutely back a Republican or Libertarian idea if it were better than what was being presented by the Democratic party (and I do on some points). However, we just disagree on what is deemed "a better solution" on this issue.

 

[theworldismine13]

No, I'm not missing that. I think that's an under-represented group among intelligent people, and an over-represented group among unintelligent people. I think it's for the best that any intelligent person stay open to other ideas as you are. I'm not against that at all. For me, I would absolutely back a Republican or Libertarian idea if it were better than what was being presented by the Democratic party (and I do on some points). However, we just disagree on what is deemed "a better solution" on this issue.

You actually haven't presented any solutions, all you did was point out problems and suggested that the government can solve them, then your belief in black inferiority and your white savior complex came out the closet and you suggested that black people are doomed without white people, that's what I have gotten out of your posts, did I miss something?