Rand Paul Confronts the GOP's Race Problem

[Mowgli]

They'll try to draw in minorities. Ultimately, the strategy will obviously be successful, but I'm predicting it'll take a few election cycles. Republicans have done a lot to completely burn their reputation among minorities, and it's gonna take a lot of pandering until a decent amount of the black and overall minority vote will begin to trust them again. The question I really wonder is how long will it take the Republican party to not only pander to but actually respect blacks and minorities?

Sheeeit these cacs are gonna have to make it easier to get a few million nikkas into the upper middle class for that to happen. Right now black people are too obesssed with the nikka puppet.

 

[Dyce25]

yeah we have to politely disagree on that, like i was saying in the other thread, i think "integration" and "equality" ideologies have intellectually pussified black people and obscured the fact that black people have to make some major changes to catch up

Respect for the civil discussion.

 

[Dyce25]

Sheeeit these cacs are gonna have to make it easier to get a few million nikkas into the upper middle class for that to happen. Right now black people are too obesssed with the nikka puppet.

Well, I'm white myself, but I'm completely on the Left. I hope to start working within the Democratic party in some capacity sooner or later. As a white man, I obviously can't have the same racial insight into the black community as a black man, but I have been raised in the South all my life - in a little town with more than a 70% black population. I see the neglect of federal and state funds and help in these isolated pockets of majority black populations. I see the housing. I've experienced the education. I see the racism (have experienced it on the reverse side, and also as a product of my past engagement to a black female). It's embarrassing and unacceptable. As far as who I presume you were referring to, I disagree with some things he has done (as with anyone), but overall I actually support him.

 

[kermit da hustla]

If memory serves Rand Paul's point on the feds not being able to force a oprivate business to not be racially discriminatory was based on the Libertarian/Old School Conservative philosophy that once the populace discovered that a certain business was racist then people would stop frequenting said establishment and the place would either go out of business or the business owner would have to change his practices.
It is a bit of a pie in the sky, "the marketplace solves all problems" thought process but I don't think he meant it in any malicious, racist way.

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that philosophy worked wonders during the jim crow era.

 

[acri1]

The main problem is the GOP's seeming inability to be intellectually honest about why they're so unpopular with minorities. Your average Republican things blacks vote Democrat because we "want handouts" or whatever (which is already insulting to begin with) and their solution for getting more black votes is to run a few token black candidates and maybe speak at a black church.

Obviously that won't work but it seems to be about all they're willing to do. In truth black people started voting Democrat in the 60s due to the GOPs "southern strategy" (ie. intentionally courting the racist vote) and failure to support the Civil Rights movement. Even today the GOP still goes out of its way to appeal to racially resentful white voters in the south - you can't expect to do that AND to get many minority votes. The GOP basically has to choose one or the other, and unless they admit that I don't see them doing too much better with minorities than they currently are.

Personally I don't think most policies that Republicans advocate are beneficial anyway (whether you're a minority or not) so I don't care too much if they keep courting racist voters. But then again, I suppose it's bad for the country in general when you have different ethnic groups divided so sharply along political lines.

 

[theworldismine13]

that philosophy worked wonders during the jim crow era.

In fairness, in libertarianism private discrimination action is ok but government discrimination wouldn't be allowed, so while you would be discriminated at a business all Jim Crow laws wouldn't exist, without actual laws jim crow would not have lasted, that is the theory

I'm not cosigning, but what rand is saying isn't as bad as it sounds

 

[boskey]

The average black college student is more capable of giving a speech on race than the average congressman

 

[No_bammer_weed]

but individual and economic rights is a fundamental part of american culture that has to be preserved IMO, so the culture of freedom has to be the foundation of future integration

what exactly is your end game here? Freedom should not be recognized as freedom to openly discriminate or malign another economic participant, based on some arbitrary bias that has nothing to do with the transaction at hand. All you are doing is excusing anti-American, and corruptive behavior that is INFRINGING on another person's rights in a so called free society where "all men are created equal". American businesses operating under American principals that protect ALL its members and promote the betterment of its citizens is vital to a moral, and just society.

Your hostility to this arraignment has nothing to do with freedom, just like other laws that protect against injuring another in an open and meaningful way. I really believe that you are trapped in a mind hampered by an identity crisis, because your views are out there to say the least.

 

[theworldismine13]

what exactly is your end game here? Freedom should not be recognized as freedom to openly discriminate or malign another economic participant, based on some arbitrary bias that has nothing to do with the transaction at hand. All you are doing is excusing anti-American, and corruptive behavior that is INFRINGING on another person's rights in a so called free society where "all men are created equal". American businesses operating under American principals that protect ALL its members and promote the betterment of its citizens is vital to a moral, and just society.

Your hostility to this arraignment has nothing to do with freedom, just like other laws that protect against injuring another in an open and meaningful way. I really believe that you are trapped in a mind hampered by an identity crisis, because your views are out there to say the least.

wow this post is nutty, do you read my posts or just skim through them?

in my posts i specifically disagreed with the libertarian idea that a business has the right to discriminate, and i explained why they are wrong, so im not sure what it is you are attacking me for

everything im saying has to do with freedom, both economic and individual

i think where you are wrong is that you are equating freedom with the absence of racism and then try to use racism or segregation as a metric of freedom

 

[The Real]

In fairness, in libertarianism private discrimination action is ok but government discrimination wouldn't be allowed, so while you would be discriminated at a business all Jim Crow laws wouldn't exist, without actual laws jim crow would not have lasted, that is the theory

That's true about the public vs private, but the other thing to take into account is that the public sector would barely exist in a libertarian society- in other words, the institutions and just average time people spent in places where they could be discriminated against would be much higher than the places that couldn't, so basically you're leaving most of society to its own demographic biases. Libertarians want to get rid of the Board of Ed, the Department of Health, etc... can you imagine what would happen to the institutions that fall under those categories if they were all private and could freely discriminate in a society with our kind of racial tensions and power inequalities? So I think it's actually worse than it seems, not better.

 

[No_bammer_weed]

wow this post is nutty, do you read my posts or just skim through them?

in my posts i specifically disagreed with the libertarian idea that a business has the right to discriminate, and i explained why they are wrong, so im not sure what it is you are attacking me for

everything im saying has to do with freedom, both economic and individual

i think where you are wrong is that you are equating freedom with the absence of racism and then try to use racism or segregation as a metric of freedom

I could have sworn that your beliefs were accommodating to Paul's position about economic freedom being a freedom for businesses to behave in any way they see fit (perhaps I confused you w/ another). In any respect if I misrepresented your views, my bad.

 

[theworldismine13]

I could have sworn that your beliefs were accommodating to Paul's position about economic freedom being a freedom for businesses to behave in any way they see fit (perhaps I confused you w/ another). In any respect if I misrepresented your views, my bad.

nah i wasnt agreeing with him on that point, but i was just saying that since under libertarianism jim crow laws could not exist overall libertarianism is not as bad as it sounds

but the idea of allowing business to discriminate is bad

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

nah i wasnt agreeing with him on that point, but i was just saying that since under libertarianism jim crow laws could not exist overall libertarianism is not as bad as it sounds

but the idea of allowing business to discriminate is bad

You wouldn't need Jim Crow laws under a libertarian regime to give minorities second class treatment

Sent from handheld Minority Report console

 

[theworldismine13]

That's true about the public vs private, but the other thing to take into account is that the public sector would barely exist in a libertarian society- in other words, the institutions and just average time people spent in places where they could be discriminated against would be much higher than the places that couldn't, so basically you're leaving most of society to its own demographic biases.

that's valid, but the amount of government disicrimination especially in the 1800's in regards to land and property rights was massive tho

but i dont think its a good idea to use segregation as a metric of black progress, I think in doing that there is an inherent assumption of black inferiority that is dangerous

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

i dont think its a good idea to use segregation as a metric of black progress

Good thing nobody in this thread is doing that