Racists already mad on Twitter due to commercials

[theworldismine13]

Because you said "Canada would cease to exist". Then you went on to make some slippery slope that the rest of Canada might then be annexed by the U.S. or other nations. If you want to move the goal post and say what you MEANT to say was this, then fine. But I can only comment on what you actually SAID, not what you MEANT.

im not moving anything, if quebec had seceded its an open question what would happen to the other provinces, some of them could also declare independence and some of then could become american states, so if quebec seceded its possible canada would have ceased to exist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionist_movements_of_Canada

the bottom line is that 1) its a lie to say that canada is not remotely close to breaking up 2) whether it does or doesnt break up or the chances of it happening, are not germian to my point, the fact that a real secessionist movement based on language existed is the point i was getting at, i dont really give two fuks about the state of the secessionist movement, i was just pointing out that it exists and that its discussed in canadian government meetings which is a situation the US should avoid at all costs

 

[NoMayo15]

im not moving anything, if quebec had seceded its an open question what would happen to the other provinces, some of them could also declare independence and some of then could become american states, so if quebec seceded its possible canada would have ceased to exist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secessionist_movements_of_Canada

the bottom line is that 1) its a lie to say that canada is not remotely close to breaking up

Well, you've already wavered on what it means to be "close to breaking up", and anyway you later concede that it doesn't matter to your point...

2) whether it does or doesnt break up or the chances of it happening, are not germian to my point, the fact that a real secessionist movement based on language existed is the point i was getting at, i dont really give two fuks about the state of the secessionist movement, i was just pointing out that it exists and that its discussed in canadian government meetings which is something the US should avoid

And again, whether we agree that these movements are based purely on differences of language is one thing, but I digress from that point to go back to this one:

If you agree that it doesn't matter how likely secessionist movements are to happen, why dismiss the sentiment held by those in southern states that argued for secession? Having different views on fiscal policy causes disaccord in the U.S., and might lead to it ceasing to exist, right? So everyone who's not a Republican needs to get with the program, or get the fukk out.

 

[The Real]

how the fuk is my claim false?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec_referendum,_1995



so let me get this straight, in 1995 half the people of quebec VOTED (not opined ala perry, they got out of bed, went to a booth and VOTED) to secede from canada, and its false for me to claim that canada almost broke up???????

FOH

First of all, the 1995 referendum was almost 2 decades ago, not "a few years ago" as you originally stated. Second, look at the demographics. Only 60% of Francophones voted for sovereignty. That means that the people who voted for it weren't all simply Francophone people. That already makes your argument that language is central look ridiculous. Third, even if sovereignty had won with a majority, it never would have happened. Most referendums are worthless, especially those for massive operations like this one.

And which is it? Did Canada "almost cease to exist" or was there merely a "small possibility?" Pick one of your two contradictory stories and stick to it.

 

[Propaganda]

i think you are missing the point, if the whole secessionist movement is dead, that means it existed, why did it exist in the first place?

im simply asserting that language was at the core of the secessionist movement,

its simply a bold face lie to suggest that canada was not remotely close to breaking up, the possibility was real, it was small but it was very real, its a lie to suggest it wasnt real, and to equate quebec secession to a side comment by perry is also a lie and disingenuous

the overall point is we in the us do not want to go that route of trying to protect languages and multiculturalism and multilingualism, that just leads to unnecessary tensions like in canada, in the us immigrants need to understand that they will eventually lose their language and their culture, if they have a problem with that then they should not come to the us

first of all, i said it ISN'T remotely close, not wasn't. second, either way, it's not a lie because the possibility wasn't real.

listen, even forgetting the voting problems that plagued that referendum, even forgetting the swell of sympathy bouchard got after his leg amputation, even forgetting the controversy surrounding how the question was posed in the first place...even forgetting all the issues that made the referendum results more nuanced than "LOOK GUYS! LOOK AT HOW CLOSE IT WAS!" quebec STILL COULDN'T unilaterally secede, as per the ruling of the supreme court of canada. so no, quebec wasn't leaving and canada wasn't on the verge of breaking up, not then and certainly not now.

the clarity act (you know, the thing the article you first posted was talking about) which opens the door for secession (but doesn't outright permit it) came about 5 years later. and soon after that ruling, there was another election where the bloc ran on separatism and guess what happened? hint: it tells you in that very same article.

 

[Mr. Somebody]

This page has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic.

 

[Odyssey]

a non homogenous population like in the united states is basically impossible to govern without an overarching culture and language, there has to be a glue that binds everybody together or else there is no reason for the US to exist

that's just reality, people should stop getting caught up in multicultural dreams and learn history and deal with reality

A basic understanding of what constitutes a nation does not fly here, friend.

 

[theworldismine13]

Well, you've already wavered on what it means to be "close to breaking up", and anyway you later concede that it doesn't matter to your point...

actually i havent, i stand by my statement that canada almost ceased to exist and i proved that by showing that half the people of quebec voted to secede

im not following how you showing that the secessionist movement has lessened somehow disproves the 1995 vote

If you agree that it doesn't matter how likely secessionist movements are to happen, why dismiss the sentiment held by those in southern states that argued for secession?

im not sure what you mean by saying i was dismissing southern states that argued for secession

Having different views on fiscal policy causes disaccord in the U.S., and might lead to it ceasing to exist, right? So everyone who's not a Republican needs to get with the program, or get the fukk out.

yeah, whoever has a problem with obama being president needs to get with the program or get the fuk out

perry's comments were completely unacceptable and he should have been slapped for it, im against anything that threatens the integrity of the united states, including people like perry and multiculturalists

 

[theworldismine13]

first of all, i said it ISN'T remotely close, not wasn't. second, either way, it's not a lie because the possibility wasn't real.

listen, even forgetting the voting problems that plagued that referendum, even forgetting the swell of sympathy bouchard got after his leg amputation, even forgetting the controversy surrounding how the question was posed in the first place...even forgetting all the issues that made the referendum results more nuanced than "LOOK GUYS! LOOK AT HOW CLOSE IT WAS!" quebec STILL COULDN'T unilaterally secede, as per the ruling of the supreme court of canada. so no, quebec wasn't leaving and canada wasn't on the verge of breaking up, not then and certainly not now.

the clarity act (you know, the thing the article you first posted was talking about) which opens the door for secession (but doesn't outright permit it) came about 5 years later. and soon after that ruling, there was another election where the bloc ran on separatism and guess what happened? hint: it tells you in that very same article.

lol, this whole post just proves my point, the actual possibility of quebec actually seceding is besides the point, the point is secession is a very real topic in multicultural multilingual canada, its not a theoretical wishful topic like when perry mentioned it

if there was no possibility for quebec to secede why would you need a supreme court decision to say they cant? so even using your logic before the supreme court decision there was a possibility for quebec to secede

 

[theworldismine13]

First of all, the 1995 referendum was almost 2 decades ago, not "a few years ago" as you originally stated. Second, look at the demographics. Only 60% of Francophones voted for sovereignty. That means that the people who voted for it weren't all simply Francophone people. That already makes your argument that language is central look ridiculous. Third, even if sovereignty had won with a majority, it never would have happened. Most referendums are worthless, especially those for massive operations like this one.

And which is it? Did Canada "almost cease to exist" or was there merely a "small possibility?" Pick one of your two contradictory stories and stick to it.

first of all, you equated quebec secession with perry's comments, all these post you guys are making explaining the convoluted reasons why you dont think quebec wasnt going to secede already proves that there was a chance that quebec would secede, and it was nothing like some side comment by perry about texas seceding

if quebec seceded it opened up the possibility that canada would cease to exist, that is a self evident statement, its not even a controversial statement, its just a fact

 

[theworldismine13]

This page has absolutely nothing to do with the thread topic.

canada has everything to do with the thread topic, people need to learn history and learn from other countries including countries like canada that have a policy of protecting languages

this multiculturalism is a horrible idea and its a danger to a non homogenous society like the us, its not racist to demand immigrants make english their primary language

 

[Mr. Somebody]

canada has everything to do with the thread topic, people need to learn history and learn from other countries including countries like canada that have a policy of protecting languages

this multiculturalism is a horrible idea and its a danger to a non homogenous society like the us, its not racist to demand immigrants make english their primary language

Well you can go kicking and screaming into the future and if you're right you can say i told you so.

The united states is embracing multiculturalism because they need foreign investment because they have used our money unwisely in the market. We have more then our GDP exposed to collapse so really, your words are to late because what you see is a byproduct of an error on the part of the people you trust.

Theres a reason scripture refers to greedy nations as prostitutes.

Its so demonic, friend.

 

[theworldismine13]

Well you can go kicking and screaming into the future and if you're right you can say i told you so.

why would i go kicking and screaming into the future, i have confidence in the future, i think the cherrios commercial represents the future but that coke commercial is just wishful thinking by corny corporate multiculturalists

i would advise you to have a clear idea of where the country is headed based on history and not simply follow along with what you see on tv, books will tell you what the future is not tv

 

[Mr. Somebody]

why would i go kicking and screaming into the future, i have confidence in the future, i think the cherrios commercial represents the future but that coke commercial is just wishful thinking by corny corporate multiculturalists

You have confidence that immigration is going to stop in the near future? Please tell me what event you forsee triggering the return of America to whoever lives here right now?

I see a nation thats poor and needing as much money invested into it as possible which will lead to more people coming to the US. Multiculturalism is how the establishment accepts the inveitable under a banner of peace instead of people coming here and taking demonic doctrines with them that separate them from the other group of people that live here. As a friend of african descent, arent you already very multicultural, friend?

 

[theworldismine13]

You have confidence that immigration is going to stop in the near future? Please tell me what event you forsee triggering the return of America to whoever lives here right now?

I see a nation thats poor and needing as much money invested into it as possible which will lead to more people coming to the US. Multiculturalism is how the establishment accepts the inveitable under a banner of peace instead of people coming here and taking demonic doctrines with them that separate them from the other group of people that live here. As a friend of african descent, arent you already very multicultural, friend?

what makes you think i have a problem with immigration? i have a problem with illegal immigration, not immigration, people are welcome to come to the us, just follow the immigration laws and learn english

im not a defender of the white race, im a defender of america, im definitely not multiculturalist im an integrationist, im advocating for assimilation, which is the american way of doing things, there is only one culture in the us, thats american culture and there is only one language its english

immigrants need to assimilate to the language and culture of the united states

 

[Mr. Somebody]

what makes you think i have a problem with immigration? i have a problem with illegal immigration, not immigration, people are welcome to come to the us, just follow the immigration laws and learn english

im not a defender of the white race, im a defender of america, im definitely not multiculturalist im an integrationist, im advocating for assimilation, which is the american way of doing things, there is only one culture in the us, thats american culture and there is only one language its english

Assimilation is ineveitable for 2nd generation americans. Definately 3rd generation. You cant speed up these processes without hurting the dough.