Racist weeb goes to Japan hoping that Japanese will hate on Yasuke: they don't. Meltdown in the comment section

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feelosofer said:
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White people are mad about Yasuke.

Japanese people are like :yeshrug:
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Because he's part of their history. It's like a Japanese coming to America and telling us that John brown shouldn't be in a movie, show or game. It's absolutely absurd to think you can tell other people how to feel about historical characters that they learned about.

Japan has a history of foreigners coming there and being hired by people with influence and money like shoguns, merchants or Daimyō.

Edit: lmao they cooking him in the comments:russ:
 
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Treblemaka said:
It's definitely possible. I'm sure you're aware of how white washed the American education system is. Malcolm X is a barely mentioned pariah while MLK is held as the perfect n3gro mascot, and they don't te the real story about either.

I wouldn't be surprised if most people don't give a shxt because Yasuke was barely more than an interesting curiosity for Nobunaga (the real historical figure) and because Yasuke was kicked out of the court without making any real impact and was never even technically a samurai

He probably has the same historical impact in Japanese culture that Sally Hemmings has for us, probably even less.
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He's pretty well-known in Japan, he's been portrayed in various forms of Japanese media over hundreds of years.

They even seem to elevate his status as a samurai even though he never actually had that title. He's shown in old drawings as a black samurai wearing high class armor, which shows that people respected him even if he wasn't actually a real samurai.
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Yasuke was a samurai.

From a Japanese historian at one of Japans best research universities:

Pt.1
Since the last time I posted about this, I went to track down the entry of Yasuke in the Maeda Clan version of the *Shinchōkōki*. Kaneko Hiraku (professor at the Historiographical Institute of the University of Tokyo, the most prestigious historical research institution in Japan) includes in his book below, paired with the translation in Thomas Lockley's book (which is correct):

>然に彼黒坊被成御扶持、名をハ号弥助と、さや巻之のし付幷私宅等迄被仰付、依時御道具なともたさせられ候、
This black man called Yasuke was given a stipend, a private residence, etc., and was given a short sword with a decorative sheath. He is sometimes seen in the role of weapon bearer.

Ever since previously people have been arguing with me that "stipend" could be given to anyone, not just samurai, without considering the word’s meaning in Japanese. I have already mentioned how the word was used in Japanese history. Let’s look then specifically at how Ōta Gyūichi, the author of the chronicles, used it.
Here are all the other entries that mention the word "stipend" (specifically 扶持), each with link to the exact page of the *Shinchōkōki*. I will also quote the translation by J. P. Lamers, so this time the translation is academically published.

1. [Shiba Yoshikane](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/70) in 1553 – son of the previous and soon to be the next *de jure* lord of Owari, before Nobunaga ran him out of town.
>若武衛様は川狩より直にゆかたひらのあたてにて信長を御憑み候て那古野へ御出すなはち貳百人扶持被仰付天王坊に置申され候
Lord Buei the Younger fled directly from his fishing spot on the river to Nagoya, dressed only in a bathrobe, to call on Nobunaga’s help. Accordingly, Nobunaga assigned him a stipend sufficient to maintain a retinue of two hundred men and installed him in the Tennōbō temple.

2. [Saitō Dōsan](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/80). Recent research suggest this story is inaccurate, but I’m just demonstrating how Ōta Gyūichi uses the word.
>斎藤山城道三は元來山城國西岡の松波と云者也一年下國候て美濃國長井藤左衛門を憑み扶持を請余力をも付られ候
The original family name of Saitō Yamashiro Dōsan was Matsunami. He was a native of the Western Hills of Yamashiro Province. One year, he left the Kyoto area for the provinces and called on the help of Nagai Tōzaemon of Mino, who granted him a stipend and assigned auxiliaries to him.

3. [Nobunaga remonstrating Ashikaga Yoshiaki in 1573](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/101) for not giving out stipend properly.
>一 諸侯の衆方々御届申忠節無踈略輩には似相の御恩賞不被宛行今々の指者にもあらさるには被加御扶持候さ樣に候ては忠不忠も不入に罷成候諸人のおもはく不可然事
Item [3] You have failed to make appropriate awards to a number of lords who have attended you faithfully and have never been remiss in their loyal service to you. Instead, you have awarded stipends to newcomers with nothing much to their credit. That
being so, the distinction between loyal and disloyal becomes irrelevant. In people’s opinion, this is improper.
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一 無恙致奉公何の科も御座候はね共不被加御扶助京都の堪忍不屆者共信長にたより歎申候定て私言上候はゝ何そ御憐も可在之かと存候ての事候間且は不便に存知且は公儀御爲と存候て御扶持の義申上候ヘ共一人も無御許容候餘文緊なる御諚共候間其身に對しても無面目存候勸(觀歟)世與左衛門古田可兵衛上野紀伊守類の事
Item [7] Men who have given you steadfast and blameless service but have not been awarded a stipend by you find themselves in dire need in Kyoto. They turned to Nobunaga with a heavy heart. If I were to say a few words in their behalf, they assumed, then surely you would take pity on them. On the one hand, I felt sorry for them; on the other, I thought it would be in the interest of the public authority (kōgi no ontame; sc., to your benefit).
So I put the matter of their stipends before you, but you did not assent in even one case. Your hard-heartedness, excessive as it is, puts me out of countenance before these men. I refer to the likes of Kanze Yozaemon [Kunihiro], Furuta Kahyōe, and Ueno Kii no Kami [Hidetame].

4. [A samurai captured in 1573](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/105) who would rather die than submit to Nobunaga.
>御尋に依て前後の始末申上之處神妙の働無是非の間致忠節候はゝ一命可被成御助と御諚候爰にて印牧申樣に朝倉に對し日比遺恨雖深重の事候今此刻歷々討死候處に述懷を申立生殘御忠節不叶時者當座を申たると思召御扶持も無之候へは實儀も外聞も見苦敷候はんの間腹を可仕と申乞生害前代未聞の働名譽名不及是非
When Kanemaki, on being questioned by Nobunaga, gave a rough account of his career, Nobunaga commented that it would be a shame to lose a man with such marvelous accomplishments to his credit and stated that his life would be spared, were he to pledge his loyal service to Nobunaga. To this Kanemaki replied that he had harbored a deep grudge against the Asakura for a long time. Now that so many warriors of standing had been killed, however, he could not permit himself to stay alive by giving vent to his resentment. The moment he was remiss in his loyal service, Nobunaga would surely think that whatever he might have said at this juncture was just an expedient to save his skin and would cancel his stipend. Then Kanemaki would be unable to live with himself and with what people would say about him. He would therefore cut his own belly now. Having made this plea, he took his own life. His heroism was unprecedented, and his glory was beyond dispute.
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Pt.2

5. [Nobunaga to his own "companions"](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/114) (think of Alexander’s foot and horse companions) in 1575 because he was feeling generous that day and had just given a bunch of cloth to a beggar and then felt like also rewarding his men who were supposedly moved to tears by the former act of generosity.

>御伴之上下皆落淚也御伴衆何れも々々被加御扶持難有仕合無申計樣体也如此御慈悲深き故に諸天の有御冥利而御家門長久にに御座候と感申也

All of Nobunaga’s companions, those of high as of low rank, also shed tears. Each and every one of his companions had his stipend increased, and it goes without saying that they felt fortunate and thankful. It is because Nobunaga was so compassionate, everyone felt, that the heavens shed their blessings upon him and that the fortunes of his house would long endure.



6. [Kuki Yoshytaka and Takigawa Kazumasu](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/134) in 1578 for building big ships.

>九鬼右馬允被召寄黃金二十枚並御服十菱喰折二行拜領其上千人つヽ御扶持被仰

Nobunaga summoned Kuki Uma no Jō and presented him with twenty pieces of gold as well as ten garments and two boxes containing wild duck. In addition, Nobunaga rewarded Kuki Uma no Jō and Takikawa Sakon with stipends adequate to maintaining a thousand men each.



7. [A young samurai in 1579 for being a good wrestler](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/144), since Nobunaga loves wrestling.

>甲賀の伴正林と申者年齡十八九に候歟能相撲七番打仕候次日又御相撲有此時も取すぐり則御扶持人に被召出鐵炮屋與四郞折節御折檻にて籠へ被入置彼與四郞私宅資財雜具共に御知行百石熨斗付の太刀脇指大小二ツ御小袖御馬皆具其に拜領名譽の次第也

A man from Kōka whose name was Tomo Shōrin, some eighteen or nineteen years old, showed good skills and scored seven wins. The next day, too, Nobunaga put on sumo matches, and Tomo again outclassed the others. As a result, Nobunaga selected Tomo to become his stipendiary. At about that time Nobunaga had to take disciplinary measures against a gunsmith by the name of Yoshirō, whom he locked up in a cage. Now Tomo Shōrin received the private residence, household goods, and other possessions of this Yoshirō. Nobunaga also gave him an estate of one hundred koku, a sword and a dagger with gold-encrusted sheaths, a lined silk garment, and a horse with a complete set of gear—glorious recognition for Tomo.



8. [As part of his order preparing for his soon-to-be conquests in 1582](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/pid/1920322/1/181), Nobunaga ordered his vassals to hire good local samurai.

>一 國諸侍に懇扱さすか無由斷樣可氣遣事

一 第一慾を構に付て諸人爲不足之條內儀相續にをひては皆々に令支配人數を可拘事

一 本國より奉公望之者有之者相改まへ拘候ものゝかたへ相屆於其上可扶持之事

Item [5] Treat the provincial samurai with courtesy. For all that, never be remiss in your vigilance.

Item [6] When the top man is greedy, his retainers do not get enough. Upon succeeding to domains, apportion them to all your retainers and take new men into your

service.

Item [7] Should there be any men from your home province who wish to enter your service, investigate their provenance, contact their previous employers, and only then grant them a stipend.



So Ōta Gyūichi used the word from time to time, and it was not a one-off usage. Every single usage of the word stipend by Ōta Gyūichi was, without exception, either giving it to samurai, some of whom were incredibly high ranked, or used in the context of hiring samurai or samurai’s salary. This includes a young sumo wrestler who may or may not have been a samurai, but was definitely hired by Nobunaga as his personal samurai. There is therefore no reason to think Gyūichi was using the term in Yasuke's context any differently. In fact we might even draw a slight parallel to Tomo Shōrin. Yasuke was said to have had the strength of ten men, meaning he must have demonstrated that strength and it’s certainly possible he demonstrated it through wrestling and beating everyone. Nobunaga loved wrestling, loved exotic stuff, and as shown above loved to demonstrate his generosity. So, it would certainly make sense on meeting Yasuke (coincidentally at Honnōji) for Nobunaga to give Yasuke, who was exotic and might have been good at wrestling, a samurai’s stipend, a decorated sword, and a residence. Incidentally Tomo Shōrin was also at Honnōji when Akechi Mitsuhide attacked, though unlike Yasuke he did not survive.



EDIT: I'm adding an explanation because people are misinterpreting this post.



The meaning of the word stipend is not supposed to prove Yasuke was a samurai all by itself. What proves Yasuke was a samurai is not that he received a samurai stipend, but that he received a samurai stipend *and* carried Nobunaga's weapons which was usually the job of a *koshō* and *koshō* were samurai *and* had and fought with a katana at Nijō *and* he was mobilized and followed Nobunaga on the Takeda campaign of 1582 and remained by Nobunaga's side even after Nobunaga dismissed all his ["ordinary soldiers"](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1css0ye/was_yasuke_a_samurai/l4e7q7e/).



If you've read this and all my other posts and links on Yasuke and still don't believe Yasuke was a samurai, then you either a) prefer to believe your own bias over historical research or b) should post an academic level publication from a PhD level researcher arguing Yasuke wasn't a samurai so I could read it.
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3rdWorld said:
Also take note..
Yasuke could have been any other race but Black and these Demons wouldn't even care. :sas2:

You have to wonder why they're so uptight about Black glory specifically..:jbhmm:
I suspect because the biggest historical contributors to the world are Africans and these cacs vying for the title via trickery, crookery, theft and brain washing.
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I have a different take on it. They know they have done our people wrong for hundreds of years, and in their consciousness they need to justify their actions somehow. So how they do it is by making it seem we deserve what happened to us. One of the ways they seek to accomplish this is by putting out there that we have never been anything but slaves.

So, when anything goes against that narrative of us being lower than them, and worthy of being mistreated, their mind goes into conniptions and they desperately work to hide, remove, or downplay the truth. Add in the fact that many of them only have the thin veneer of Whiteness to make them feel good about themselves, I can see them going through all sorts of actions that make no damn sense in order to maintain their feeling of pseudo superiority.

I think one thing that can be done to counter it is to remind idiots like the Brazilian on that video, that he has not personally accomplished anything. That his only claim to glory is to believe the accomplishments of others in his race are a representation of his own worth. Remind him that even his own people feel he is trash.
 
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The fact that cacs are so pressed to downplay history that is factual and true, because it involves a black man, makes me wonder what other things they are lying about :jbhmm:
 
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