R&B and Soul is the secret kryptonite to Hip Hop culture vultures
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LunaticVillage415
All Star
Yeah right.
What cac you know nerds out about Frankie Beverly and Maze, SOS Band and ConFunkShun the same way the average cac "Hip Hop head" nerds out about Wu Tang, Tribe Called Quest and Boot Camp? 
What cac you know love Teena Marie as much as Eminem? Cacs don't like white artists who genuinely love black people and black culture like Teena Marie. Cacs love Eminem because he stayed white even though he lived in the blackest big city in America. Where are all the white R&B nerds who try to educate everyone about "real R&B"? 
The don't exist. R&B takes a lot of talent so there always have been less culture vultures making legit R&B music. Culture vultures like Robin Thicke have been put in their proper place. 
R&B to cacs is like the NBA. They aren't too many white fans because there haven't been any good star white players in a long time and just like the NBA, some of the best white players of all time aren't even white Americans (i.e. Average White Band). Whites don't have enough soul to conquer R&B so they watered it down to create modern Pop music and killed R&B in the process.
Go to the average 90's Hip Hop concert or festival and it's all cacs or black people are an extreme minority in the crowd at the least. Go to a Jazzfest or R&B festival in a metro area where there are a lot of black people and it's damn near all black people in attendance. That is a fact.
Cacs said "Disco sucks" back in the 80's but Disco helped give birth to Hip Hop. R&B singers in the 80's went Gold selling to black audiences. The last time I recall cacs actually fukking with R&B was when Lauryn dropped Miseducation and that movement was a girl power movement but even then cac bytches caught feelings and called L Boogie "racist" for anti-cac views over the course of her career. And that was 20 years ago.
IllmaticDelta
Veteran
Yeah right.
Go to the average 90's Hip Hop concert or festival and it's all cacs or black people are an extreme minority in the crowd at the least. Go to a Jazzfest or R&B festival in a metro area where there are a lot of black people and it's damn near all black people in attendance. That is a fact.
Cacs said "Disco sucks" back in the 80's but Disco helped give birth to Hip Hop. R&B singers in the 80's went Gold selling to black audiences. The last time I recall cacs actually fukking with R&B was when Lauryn dropped Miseducation and that movement was a girl power movement but even then cac bytches caught feelings and called L Boogie "racist" for anti-cac views over the course of her career. And that was 20 years ago.
actually southern usa cacs love OG soul music. That's why many of them southern cacs in the country world of music can easily switch into southern soul/blues/gospel music when they want
it's the white rock-metal heads (not the ones from the 1960's/70s) that hate it
we already know british whites are obsessed with r&B/soul music
I bet most of the r&b/soul artist yall are posting were birthed from gospel
Some of y'all are half-right...
the "CACs" y'all speak of that don't know or care about R&B... are particularly white men.
White women (especially those around our age group) have been on R&B music forever. Matter fact, they care for the R&B shyt way more than they do hip-hop. And if they came up in the 90s, they know all that shyt. I've known some white chicks who know their shyt, it's far less common to know a white dude who knows it. Them dudes usually went straight from rock music to hip-hop as teenagers. One year they were on Pearl Jam, next year they were on Ice Cube. The girls on the other hand were probably listening to pop music and then transitioned into R&B (with Michael, Janet, and Whitney usually being the gateway) .
the "CACs" y'all speak of that don't know or care about R&B... are particularly white men.
White women (especially those around our age group) have been on R&B music forever. Matter fact, they care for the R&B shyt way more than they do hip-hop. And if they came up in the 90s, they know all that shyt. I've known some white chicks who know their shyt, it's far less common to know a white dude who knows it. Them dudes usually went straight from rock music to hip-hop as teenagers. One year they were on Pearl Jam, next year they were on Ice Cube. The girls on the other hand were probably listening to pop music and then transitioned into R&B (with Michael, Janet, and Whitney usually being the gateway) .
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Amor fati
Superstar
These kids are fukking lazy man, why can't they dig in the crates just like their predecessors it's clear of day that these kids don't give two shyts about their craft. This Ella Mai chick everybody is getting excited over is mediocre as hell.
Amor fati
Superstar
You're right hella RnB acts do tours in Europe and Oceania performing in front of a white female crowd.
Believe it or not quite a few. I use to work with a few engineers at Shell Oil and they were the most straight laced white guys I ever seen on the surface until I walked into their offices and they playing nothing but funk and soul. shyt straight up had me confused. Asked them what he knew about this type of music and they straight up had full blown convos and they knew their shyt. Had pics with the Isley Brothers, Atlantic Starr, Bootsy Collins, and George Clinton. Went to concerts and everything. I'm not saying a lot of white people aren't vultures but there are some that genuinely appreciate the music and respect the artists. I mean one of the coldest white boys ever have some of the smoothest songs. Blue-eyed soul singers and fans do exist.Yeah right.
Go to the average 90's Hip Hop concert or festival and it's all cacs or black people are an extreme minority in the crowd at the least. Go to a Jazzfest or R&B festival in a metro area where there are a lot of black people and it's damn near all black people in attendance. That is a fact.
Cacs said "Disco sucks" back in the 80's but Disco helped give birth to Hip Hop. R&B singers in the 80's went Gold selling to black audiences. The last time I recall cacs actually fukking with R&B was when Lauryn dropped Miseducation and that movement was a girl power movement but even then cac bytches caught feelings and called L Boogie "racist" for anti-cac views over the course of her career. And that was 20 years ago.
Kingshango
Veteran
I can guarantee you that the vultures don't know NOTHING about this one.
The feeling it give's you, these cacs just wont understand.
The feeling it give's you, these cacs just wont understand.
This
Look no further than the K-pop wave, which is built on watered down variations of 90s rnb.
From the clothes to the melodies
kingest_kong
Pro
Do you wanna say nikka when you listen to it? Or rob someone? Or kill someone? Or talk about a gun? Or disrespecting women?
No?...there’s a reason for that...and that’s why it’s supressed.
Keep the negativity up and keep harmony down. It is not a coincidence...
trillanova
The Truth
White people being true fans of r&b soul are really anomalies, so bringing up examples are pointless.
More than that, these are the prime examples of people that enjoy black culture, but want nothing to do with black people, so they still end up being vultures of culture. People that feed and nurture themselves off of the products of the black experience are plenty. You can go all over the world and find people that indulge in black art, black music, black literature and turn the other cheek when it comes to the societal ills we face, while simultaneously finding joy and pleasure in the end products that came out of those injustices.
A vulture is a animal that feeds off of weakened or dead animals to feed and nourish themselves.
Black art came from many black artists who, for the most part, were brought up in poverty and/or injustice, yet still found a way to create beautiful things, despite getting the short end of the stick. This is especially true in America. We come from communities that have been intentionally weakened and continually destroyed.
The trail of black pain, black blood and black bodies that have accumulated in this country, which creates the canvas for artists to paint the pictures that stir the soul for a 5 minute song is unfathomable...
So when you post these anomalies of white or non black people "truly appreciating" black music, it's mostly hollow. They can enjoy it one dimensionally for the melodies, harmonies, lyrics and syncopation, but for us, it's more than music....it's the entire experience we've gone through...somehow made beautiful. For a few moments we can live our truth, good bad and ugly, and let the music allow us to celebrate it all. That's why it is a culture. Corporations have monetized it and packaged it for all to consume, but for the people that understand it from a level of day to day functionality ingrained in our way of life, the songs are our hope and validation.
Hip Hop Culture is for us and by us, despite who else has been allowed to participate via massive funding and manipulation. Do not confuse participation and enjoyment as belonging because you'll allow vultures to continue blurring the lines and distorting what a culture really is and what it means for those of us who've paid in blood to bring this to the world. The reason so many people are relating to this thread isn't because i'm "right", it's because their own history and experiences validated my statements. Almost everyone in here is African American or black. It's not just the music, it's the entire upbringing from birth to middle school to high school and now as an adult...all the way up until you're old. Every family reunion, dice/spades/domino game, kickback, late night ride in the whip (and getting pulled over), cookout, Saturdays and sundays in the crib and on and on made this shyt....and nobody but us knows how it plays but us.
So, as much as I see everyone in here reminiscing, this isn't about r&b or hip hop as a standalone genre, it's about how it relates to a group of people's entire lives vs how another group of people use it as a momentary pleasure, while ignoring the lives of the people that create what they are so fanatical about. They're fanatical about the good time it gives them but in all reality, don't give a fukk about the bodies that keep mounting. A vulture needs corpses to feed themselves, and on a subconscious level, these b*stards understand how much stress and pain need to be squeezed out of us to create the musical ambrosia they feed on. Our music is the sweetest, finest, most potent nectar of the gods...or god's people...but how many of us have to be crushed to extract a drop?
A culture vulture doesn't care, so don't make excuses for them in any way shape or form...they come in many, so please, make sure you some correct.
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PhonZhi
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I was thinking the other day, one reason why Drake is as successful of a hip hop artist/singer and rapper as he is today is because his knowledge of old r&b music.
His sound is rooted in it. You can tell he came up off it or at least studied it.
Drake’s one of the few mainstream rappers to still have that influence and he’s somewhat carrying on that r&b tradition in modern day hip hop.
He has a good ear and appreciation for classic old school and even more current r&b songs And he generally works with artists/producers who share his same taste or are just as or more talented (party next door)
Perfect example is his obsession with Aaliyah....
And then there’s songs like this
Culture vultures probably hated this song and skipped it.
And rap fans can hate on Drake for being soft and emotional or whatever but who else with his fan base is really making music like this?
He really has a love and respect for black American (even international) r&b soul history and it shows in his music..... but only if you know enough yourself to realize it beneath the surface.
There is no good “hip hop” without it being rooted in or influenced by R&b/soul/gospel/funk/Jazz etc....
Nice thread
Yea i remember on some old show Drake showed off his CD collection and one of the albums was Boys II Men's "II" album. Dude definitely has an appreciation for r&b.
Thats one of my personal fav albums also.
I can guarantee you that the vultures don't know NOTHING about this one.
The feeling it give's you, these cacs just wont understand.
nikka! This is that shyt right here. Good ol steppin music