trillanova
The Truth
I can't trust a breh whose mom didn't bump gospel music loud as fukk on Sunday while cursing at them to help clean up the house
Facts
R&B and Soul is the secret kryptonite to Hip Hop culture vultures
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macadomusic
Superstar
Very valid thread
My favorite summer jam is still "Before I let Go". It just does something to you.
the stable song at every black family cookout
Real Talk OP.
They don't make R&B/Souful music no more
They don't make R&B/Souful music no more
I notice I don’t see any drake, or g unit stans in here 
trillanova
The Truth
thread is ill breh
i’m typing this while i pump this…
they dont know about cold grits on the stove and bobby womack playing on the radio.
it aint IN them
this shyt is in coded in our dna. it was in us before the segregated buses. it was in us before the hot ass cotton fields. it was in us before we fought back on slave ships. it was in us before we were held captive in the dungeons in west africa. it was in us before our sacred tribal rituals as the dogon, the maasai, the asante.
this shyt is cosmic with us breh
they aint got in them. they can appreciate it. but it aint in them
a few white boys would be brave enough to walk into a cipher and spit but would be TERRIFIED to walk into a back pentecostal church on sunday and sing.
the church was primarily the pipeline to get into soul. and you couldn’t just have talent because so many ppl in the church can sing. you had to be something SPECIAL. with soul…you just couldnt sing….you had to SAANGGHH. and as we know, white folks are soulless people anyway, they just purely aint got it in them. lol
damn near all of us got aunties or cousins that can sing they ASS off but aint good enough to get a record deal. most was just satisfied being the best singer in their church
sam cooke, whitney, jodeci, dangelo, etc came out of the secular world and to me thats the hardest crowd to make it in bc you’re dealing with generational songs that people hold dear to their heart from. church folks don’t play around with them songs. the standard for talent was too fukkin high. they were the gatekeepers.
timberlake or beiber cant emulate that shyt. but what tanner or brent from billings montana CAN do is ride a beat a little, throw on some j’s, some gold chains and get a little bop in their walk and say they drippy now and turn into g eazy or post malone.
but to get on stage and belt out “his eyes are are on the sparrow” in a hot ass church and have damn near everybody moved to tears is true talent. thats some otherworldly shyt. robin thicke cant do that shyt
a lot of white artists are homogenized to me. its like a kit…like its cosmetic. add in one cup of swag. splash in some tatts and some gold chains, be able to ride a beat, get a ghostwriter and have a “respected” black artist cosign u and u in there.
but theres always something missing from their music. it seems empty. and that’s what soul is about…the heart….the depth….the authenticity.
its kryptonite bc not only cant they emulate that shyt….they can’t even really FEEL it
like Mtume said...."they dont even have the palette for it"
Super Facts.
I remember browsing through the booth first few months I joined and would come across comments like that.
Had me looking at my screen like
If you didn't come up listening to r&b and soul music...you're probably not a legit hip hop head
I've actually been meaning to make this thread for a long time. I'm just as much of an R&B head as I am a Hip Hop head and was really more heavily into r&b first as a kid. When I was younger around 6-10, I loved all the dope r&b from the late 80s and early to mid 90s. I'm willing to say right here that the r&b of the 90s is superior to the hip hop of the 90s, but that's a whole different debate. I didn't get into Hip Hop seriously until I was 11, but my musical roots are in soul and r&b. I think most 80s babies with black mother's and father's can probably relate.
Matter of fact, if you didn't have your roots in soul and r&b prior to transitioning fully into hip hop, you probably didn't get into hip hop organically and used it as a crutch to be cool or hide the fact you're a dweeb as a late teen or young adult (yes you Rosenberg)
Hip hop and r&b/soul are really like younger brother and older sister especially when you're talking about the 80s and 90s. a lot of cats like to claim hip hop hard, but i'm wary of them if they don't know they lyrics to "Let's Chill" by Guy, "I miss you" by Aaron Hall, "Night & Day" by Al B Sure or "Before I let you go" by Blackstreet. Or even the stuff before that like "love come down" by Evelyn "Champagne" King." if you can't at least hum Tony Terry "When i'm with you" or something by Stephanie Mills right now...you are not hip hop.
A prime example is a dude like Rosenberg. He goes so hard and prides himself on knowing 90s hip hop and thinking he's connected with the culture, but probably couldn't tell you the lyrics to "Forever My Lady" or "You Remind Me" by MJB. He hides his vulture status with stats, facts and history but without any r&b mentions EVER, he's exposed as being disconnected from hip hop. They're like super factual on ATCQ, De La Soul, Nas, Wu-Tang and others...even debating you accurately....
but if you put on something like this...
or this
or this
they'd be lost as fukk....even though the history creation and collaborations are all intertwined especially during these eras. They didn't come up in it so they think hip hop was some separate shyt....no soul or groove at all but will try to lecture you to death. Never once heard their mom wake the whole house up on a Saturday morning to clean blasting this
or this
or this
or even further back
They won't know ONE SONG.
That's why I really think the industry annihilated r&b out the picture because it's not something they can easily emulate debate or discuss because it's not something you just discover on your own. You're brought up in it and that's what led a lot of us into hip hop/rap. It was Mary who christened Reasonable Doubt and allowed Hov' to ride in on Can't Knock The Hustle so smoothly. Nas was known as one of the dopest MCs but it wasn't until Lauryn blessed him with her vocals on If I Ruled The World that he hit that next level of notoriety. If we're keeping it 1000 Biggie really became that nikka when nikkas saw he bagged Faith.
Hip Hop and r&b have always had a symbiotic relationship and the absence of r&b has been detrimental to the culture. There's a level of talent and a standard that r&b HAS to hold that hip hop would keep parallel too. One would always check the other.
Imagine if you had r&b singers today that were Lil Pump or Lil Uzi status
You couldn't be looking dusty and dirty and not know how to sing
But it's okay for nikkas to come in and not know how to rap?
How would that even work? It wouldn't. And because We don't have r&b talent as a reflection of the standard we should be holding to hip hop...we're losing. The culture vultures eradicated and prevented r&b from joining the mainstream with hip hop on purpose. It was always supposed to be the two genres together as a force. now it's no soul, no groove, no swing, no real dancing (besides breezy) and cacs can easily come in and just rap. they don't have to have any r&b counterparts so we can see they don't really have what we have. they took one and diminished the other because they knew they couldn't really do it.
So yeah, as much as I love hip hop, r&b/soul is the OG to the culture and really the only way you can show me how you as a listener came in organically. artists aren't the only culture vultures, listeners are too. trying to come in and talk about this shyt...wanna study it at Harvard or Yale but never heard of Frankie Beverly & Maze. This is how you prove Hip Hop is a culture and it's not just hip hop alone.
b-b-b-b- I know Marvin Gaye and Earth Wind and Fire, Michael Jackson and Rick James
everybody knows their shyt. fukk outta here
If you JUST started at Hip Hop...you don't know shyt. I don't give a fukk how many times you listened to Midnight Marauders, 36 Chambers, illmatic or how well you know the Duck Down roster or your fukking Sean P T-Shirt. fukk you. If you never had to break up a fight with your female cousins over who was singing Monica or Brandy's part on The Boy Is Mine or try to hear grown folks business over The Isley Brother's after being sent to your room...you ain't Hip Hop. You a plant too.
Really if you don’t have a familiarity with r&b and soul music from the 70s you’re kinda lost. That’s really when the best music came out because of the number of bands. 80s and 90s became more about groups.
Never thought about it like that
Hip-hop and R&B are like the yin and yang, the feminine and the masculine, when they are together they create balance
You need elements of both.
I don't really listen to music anymore but it's an interesting observation breh.. repped.
Hip-hop and R&B are like the yin and yang, the feminine and the masculine, when they are together they create balance
You need elements of both.
I don't really listen to music anymore but it's an interesting observation breh.. repped.
"Pop music" is a low quality duplicate of soul and r&b.
It totally tripped me out. And I tried listening to see what the big deal was, and it was just OK to me.I remember browsing through the booth first few months I joined and would come across comments like that.
Had me looking at my screen like
They were acting like it was groundbreaking
My daddy played the fukk it of zapp and Roger
I notice I don’t see any drake, or g unit stans in here
I don't know about the G-Unit stans but most of the Drake stans aren't from America....they're from Canada and/or the UK and probably wasn't around black people growing up. Regardless of race, if you are from a predominantly black area it's virtually impossible to ignore R&B/soul growing up.
Fred.
Complexion
ʇdᴉɹɔsǝɥʇdᴉlɟ
Such dope music, when singers sang, instruments were real, mixing was impeccable and lyrics intelligible.
Anyone who can't see a sharp decline in the quality of music as the soul was ripped right out it mustn't have ears (or feet) that work properly because there just ain't no jams no mo!
*does the same ol 2 step*
Anyone who can't see a sharp decline in the quality of music as the soul was ripped right out it mustn't have ears (or feet) that work properly because there just ain't no jams no mo!
*does the same ol 2 step*