R&B and Soul is the secret kryptonite to Hip Hop culture vultures

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and these kids will never know...more than them not knowing good hip hop...they'll never have the soul connection.

thank God for Breezy

that nikka is a unicorn and the last of a dying breed. that's why they want him out so bad


you lost me there.

chris brown is a disappointment.

dude went on to make a bunch of the same type of generic music that we're complaining about.

don't even get me started on his crossover pop records.



Let me put y'all on to some Southern Soul while I'm at it.




lol yea.

they love sir Charles down south.

they have their own scene down there. I cant really get with a lot of it, but its cool to see underground scenes flourishing.
 
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I'm damn near 40, so you can imagine what incredible r&b/soul music I was raised up on.

That music is much harder to emulate than hip hop.

It saddened me a while ago, when clowns on here and sohh were like "Robin Thicke and Justin Timberlake are making R&B better than Black people are!"

Those are the type of ppl that just got into hip hop around the mid 2000s and felt they had the authority to speak on R&B
 

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I'm damn near 40, so you can imagine what incredible r&b/soul music I was raised up on.

That music is much harder to emulate than hip hop.

It saddened me a while ago, when clowns on here and sohh were like "Robin Thicke and Justin Timberlake are making R&B better than Black people are!"

Those are the type of ppl that just got into hip hop around the mid 2000s and felt they had the authority to speak on R&B
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middle school/high school crush music

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another reason r&b was eliminated was because it promoted black love. music like this made you want to treat someone right, or at least try. all the feelings that you were feeling were accompanied by music that gave you courage and reason to try and get with someone and do the right thing...it made it fun to like/crush/love someone. music today promotes something else...
 

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thread is ill breh :salute:

i’m typing this while i pump this…


they dont know about cold grits on the stove and bobby womack playing on the radio. :wow:

it aint IN them

this shyt is in coded in our dna. it was in us before the segregated buses. it was in us before the hot ass cotton fields. it was in us before we fought back on slave ships. it was in us before we were held captive in the dungeons in west africa. it was in us before our sacred tribal rituals as the dogon, the maasai, the asante.

this shyt is cosmic with us breh

they aint got in them. they can appreciate it. but it aint in them

a few white boys would be brave enough to walk into a cipher and spit but would be TERRIFIED to walk into a back pentecostal church on sunday and sing.

the church was primarily the pipeline to get into soul. and you couldn’t just have talent because so many ppl in the church can sing. you had to be something SPECIAL. with soul…you just couldnt sing….you had to SAANGGHH. and as we know, white folks are soulless people anyway, they just purely aint got it in them. lol

damn near all of us got aunties or cousins that can sing they ASS off but aint good enough to get a record deal. most was just satisfied being the best singer in their church

sam cooke, whitney, jodeci, dangelo, etc came out of the secular world and to me thats the hardest crowd to make it in bc you’re dealing with generational songs that people hold dear to their heart from. church folks don’t play around with them songs. the standard for talent was too fukkin high. they were the gatekeepers.

timberlake or beiber cant emulate that shyt. but what tanner or brent from billings montana CAN do is ride a beat a little, throw on some j’s, some gold chains and get a little bop in their walk and say they drippy now and turn into g eazy or post malone.

but to get on stage and belt out “his eyes are are on the sparrow” in a hot ass church and have damn near everybody moved to tears is true talent. thats some otherworldly shyt. robin thicke cant do that shyt

a lot of white artists are homogenized to me. its like a kit…like its cosmetic. add in one cup of swag. splash in some tatts and some gold chains, be able to ride a beat, get a ghostwriter and have a “respected” black artist cosign u and u in there.

but theres always something missing from their music. it seems empty. and that’s what soul is about…the heart….the depth….the authenticity.

its kryptonite bc not only cant they emulate that shyt….they can’t even really FEEL it

like Mtume said...."they dont even have the palette for it" :wow:
 

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I want to agree 100% but If I'm gonna be honest, only a part of the thread premise is true and ignores and downplays the strength of the current crop of R&B artists for nostalgia and gatekeeping...

But I'll let ya'll cook :hubie:
 

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I want to agree 100% but If I'm gonna be honest, only a part of the thread premise is true and ignores and downplays the strength of the current crop of R&B artists for nostalgia and gatekeeping...

But I'll let ya'll cook :hubie:

This point of the post isn't comparing old school r&b to New school. Those are just examples used to make the point... Which is the title of the thread..
 
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...and there was so much of it growing up, it was impossible not to hear. I was a kid when black radio wasn't even playing rap until night time, cause they were mostly older people who didn't like rap and didn't want it played during the day. Rap was still being treated as a possible fad, and definitely not as "real music"... so R&B/soul was still very much in the forefront.

Also when I grew up, we were getting lots of different sounds on the radio... you had your smooth R&B, then the midtempo, then the party records... then you also had those dance/freestyle songs everybody loved... you had that blue-eyed soul... you had the CAC pop music that crossed over to us... all that shyt. So even as we were gettin' hip-hop, it was never the only thing we got.

Someone who didn't grow up like that, you can tell why they like the shyt they like and really have no true appreciation of hip-hop. I knew a white dude who was like this, and it showed because he hated the Bad Boy era, hated the G-funk, hated all that kinda stuff cause he didn't know anything about it. His girl (who was also white) grew up on R&B and was even down to get put on to some stuff she mighta missed... she had a greater appreciation than this dude did, and he was supposed to be a rapper. I was like how you don't know about any of this shyt but you supposed to be so much about this music, it draws from soul and all the great music, that's what it's about, that's why these records resonate so much. But I guess if you didn't grow up on it or gain any knowledge of it, you dont really have a clue.

So yeah, I agree with this thread for the most part... you can definitely tell who didn't grow up appreciating soul and R&B... and radio nowadays aint helping. It's so narrow, which is making people also narrow, and the only thing kids are gonna grow up knowing about is ratchet turn-up music unless something changes... it's gonna be a bad thing.
 

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it's pretty much true...

a person who didn't grow up on true r&b/soul or even gospel music from church can't really ever relate to hip-hop at it's essence. we all grew up listening to soul first then graduating to hip-hop as we got older. the older generation of rappers are great examples of this and you can tell that alotta rappers who ended up being famous really wanted to be al green/mj/marvin gaye/ron isley/stevie and fell in love with that type of music first. look at pharoahe monch, andre 3000, cee-lo green, phonte, mos, etc... you got these extremely dope rappers who either fell out of love with hip-hop or always wanted to be vocalists deep down inside and they have reverted back to their roots and are now barely or rarely rap anymore because the rap game changed and doesn't appreciate them like it should but soul was their first love and always has been there for them. shyt i don't blame them especially looking at the game now...now of these rappers in the generation will ever have any singers from this era to look up to and aspire to be with their auto-tune and off-key singing asses.

with that said, these two tracks are ones that really held me down in the 90's as a youngster pining over girls, have alotta sentimental value and are obscure enough to separate casuals from true lovers of the music IMO.




I can't trust a breh whose mom didn't bump gospel music loud as fukk on Sunday while cursing at them to help clean up the house :wow:
 
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