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Let me take a brief moment and rap to you a story we will call 'the dream'.

Maybe you are sitting in your college classroom or you are at Barnes and Noble. Maybe you are in the grocery store somewhere... but one fateful day, you come across this mysterious woman who gives you a seductive stare. You return the glance and find that who you can't keep your eyes off of her. She is gorgeous! Immediately, you make it up in your mind that you absolutely must have her. It takes a while, but you muster up enough courage to start a conversation with her because you certainly cannot let her pass you by. Expecting rejection or perhaps a cold, disinterested response, you are pleasantly surprised when you receive a greeting that is anything but. Her conversation is, in fact, smooth and intoxicating like aged wine and you become lost in the combination of her beauty and her company. You take down her number to keep in contact with her.

A few months pass and each day is sweeter than the last. How could you have missed her? Where was she your whole life? She is THE undiscovered diamond among the pile of coal, and YOU'VE found her! A huge smile plasters itself on your face. After all of this time, you've discovered the one you've been looking for your whole life. Yes, your heart is blanketed in the joy of having this beauty grace your life. You and your newfound love start spending countless moments together and you hope that it never ends... but alas, unlike fairy tales, happy endings are not guaranteed.

One day, out of the thin blue, something starts to irk you. Something has changed, but you can't quite tell what it is. Your senses pick up on it but your rational mind paves it over with whatever reasons if can muster to preserve your lovely fantasy. She starts to act a little colder and she becomes more distant. She is more argumentative... but you push it off as your mind playing tricks on you and decide to press on.

Then, as sand continues to drip down the hourglass of your life, you notice that the trend of behavior is not reversing! The distance and isolation continues. To your dismay, it starts to become so noticeable that you can no longer ignore it. What was once a day or two away from your company turns into a week. Wanting to preserve your wonderful union, you rush to her and attempt to fix the leak in the ship of your love. You ask her, "Where have you been? Is there something wrong?" In return, she pleasantly, but flatly replies," School has been SO busy. Life has been SO hectic. I'm so sorry that I've been busy." Your perplexed attitude then shifts to one of relief because she has soothed your doubts. Your rational mind accepts her excuses and it quickly paves over reality with your desire to keep the dream alive. A big smile spreads across your face and you mutter to yourself, "Well my baby is just staying on top of her future. I'm proud of her!"

Things are lovely for another couple of weeks and all has returned to normal... You are content for a while... but once again, out of nowhere, the cycle of isolation and distance returns, this time more prominent than ever. You ask her, "What's been going on?" You are again presented with the same excuses of how busy she is and how school has overcome her. You don't press her further, but you aren't quite so quick to believe this time around. Still, not wanting to break this lovely union, you eventually take her at her word and once again fall into a state of contentment.

As the relationship continues, the distance game happens on and off, but you don't want the fantasy to disappear, so you continue to accept her company. You don't want to lose all of the time you've invested with her and you reason to yourself that you will never find a woman so lovely again, so you have to hold on by any means necessary. You WILL find a way to work it out, you think to yourself. Still, no matter how hard you try to reason, there is some strange thorn that keeps pricking you, telling you something isn't right. You wonder how someone that loves you so much could be so busy as not to contact you for weeks. In this age of communication, you wonder how she couldn't take 5 seconds out of her schedule to say, "Hey, how are you doing?"

Eventually, the curiosity in your mind about your 'perfect union' becomes stronger and stronger. It can no longer be satiated by the excuses your mind attempts to feed it. The urge has become so strong that you start to do some investigating. You quietly look on her facebook or instagram and you see your sweet darling in the club in the presence of several different men! You look at the time period and it is during those times she told you she was busy. How could this be? How could such a sweetheart be doing such things? Your diamond of a companion suddenly lose all of her luster as your mind races to the realization that you were but one of many men she was dealing with. In an instant, the dream shatters into an array of sharp fragments, each shard slicing your very soul. You sit in disbelief wondering how reality could be so cruel...

Ahh yes, the common tale of the man who buys a dream, but when dreams and reality do not converge, a broken heart lays in its wake. This, my friend, is a call to avoid crafting fantasies in your mind and paving over reality with them. It is much better to accept an ugly reality than to build on a pretty fantasy. The man who buys a dream from a woman and builds his life around such an ethereal substance will end up facing the harsh reality that eventually, we indeed must all wake up.
 

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the funny thing is, many women today view that being wholesome, decent, and having a respectful attitude towards her man is something for the suckers in life. even a few women in committed relationships like to act as if they are free and welcomed to do, or present, anything that they want to about themselves. and they will do anything to stop from being called out on what it is that they really are.

a woman becoming a "traditional housewife" is something thats now being considered constrictive and disgusting for many women. I know you see it. they turn away from the straight and narrow path of being a respectable woman of a household in order to live recklessly and continue to have "fun," regardless of their age or social status. they have to slow down, but they dont like what that signifies about themselves and their self control. plus, it also shows their age. when women act like 30 is the new 20, and 40 is the new 30, then suddenly what you see is a whole lot of immaturity springing up and being excused.

somehow we've all ended up with a couple of generations of women who think that its party time and fukk time with strangers all day and night. and that its okay, as long as its a relative secret to whom theyre seriously dealing with. and it happens, whether she is a girlfirend, wife, mother or not. women whom have lost their overall modesty and desire to really be marriage material. and then have the nerve to still think that they will find "mr right" when theyre ready to cash in their chips. their expectations are fumbled and make little to no sense. dont entertain a woman who considers herself as a progressive woman, yet wants you to do as she says and not question it. youll end up fukked up that way.


the new generation of thirst that men have seems to have spurned this on as well. many pathetic simps are willing to defy their manhood, take left over scraps, cheat, kiss ass of the woman they like, and even effectively try to sabotauge another persons relationship just to get with a woman. these simps not even thinking about all of the red flags and problems that hes inviting into his life by getting with a trifling, immature woman who looks good. her kids, her babys father, her non-wifish habits, her attire, her attitude towards her own position as a mother/wife, her lack of home skills, etc etc.

so how does this play into your life, and what you are doing today?

easy. if she lacks modesty, has a "slutty" past (possibly has kids out of wedlock), loves attention from lots of strangers (men), and pushes her sexuality as her prime asset, then you dont wife her. do you one even better, dont even "date" her. dont take her out like shes your girl. dont cuddle up. dont spend cash on her.

you already know what shes about.

and if youre really about a relationship for yourself, looking to honor a decent woman on your straight and narrow path, you never flirt or even give these foolish women the time of day.

you never take a woman serious if she hasnt taken herself and her life decisions as serious. woman who treat their lives like its an amusement park are the ones who get played, and will always get played. if youre going to ride on them, then make sure you dont take too long.


What's so sad about it all is that men are willingly rushing in to accept LESS for MORE and doing it with a grin on their face. They are accepting the company of women with 40 or 50 men if not double that number into their company as 'their baby.' She doesn't even have to cook or clean or do anything for that matter. What's really sad is that she is not even going to take the guy's last name. She's going to keep her last name and put a dash by it.

The key to being a man of value is NEVER accept less than you're worth. I'm definitely not against marriage, but I am against marrying the unmarryable. You would never sit in the passenger seat of a car if a chimpanzee was driving, so why in the world would you tether yourself in a long term commitment to someone who embodies the antithesis of commitment?

that is a huge part of the problem. Men never knowing what they are worth and rushing to accept the first scrap tossed to them in exchange for their diamonds and gold. The reason why all of these problems keep on happening is because men willingly accept this behavior.
 

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What up yall. First off, I'm new here and it's a lot of good game that yall are putting out but I have a question. When you guys say" find a woman with value" what exactly does that mean?
 

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What up yall. First off, I'm new here and it's a lot of good game that yall are putting out but I have a question. When you guys say" find a woman with value" what exactly does that mean?

Finding a woman with value means finding a woman that is an asset to your life, not a liability. It means finding a woman who actually enhances your happiness everyday and doesn't bring unnecessary drama and arguments to your life... It means finding a woman who isn't secretly talking to 3 or 4 different guys while she is talking to you and constantly insisting on clubbing every weekend while she is in the confines of a relationship. how about her not having 2 or 3 kids and numbers in the 30s or 40s of different guys she slept with. It also means finding a woman that is actually interested in what you do because she's actually interested in you as a person and not how much you potentially make. It also means finding a woman you can have decent conversations with and don't have to resort spitting some kind of game gibberish to to maintain her attention. I can go on and on, but they are very rare, so if you find one, you better not be an idiot and throw her overboard.
 
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Let me take a brief moment and rap to you a story we will call 'the dream'.

Maybe you are sitting in your college classroom or you are at Barnes and Noble. Maybe you are in the grocery store somewhere... but one fateful day, you come across this mysterious woman who gives you a seductive stare. You return the glance and find that who you can't keep your eyes off of her. She is gorgeous! Immediately, you make it up in your mind that you absolutely must have her. It takes a while, but you muster up enough courage to start a conversation with her because you certainly cannot let her pass you by. Expecting rejection or perhaps a cold, disinterested response, you are pleasantly surprised when you receive a greeting that is anything but. Her conversation is, in fact, smooth and intoxicating like aged wine and you become lost in the combination of her beauty and her company. You take down her number to keep in contact with her.

A few months pass and each day is sweeter than the last. How could you have missed her? Where was she your whole life? She is THE undiscovered diamond among the pile of coal, and YOU'VE found her! A huge smile plasters itself on your face. After all of this time, you've discovered the one you've been looking for your whole life. Yes, your heart is blanketed in the joy of having this beauty grace your life. You and your newfound love start spending countless moments together and you hope that it never ends... but alas, unlike fairy tales, happy endings are not guaranteed.

One day, out of the thin blue, something starts to irk you. Something has changed, but you can't quite tell what it is. Your senses pick up on it but your rational mind paves it over with whatever reasons if can muster to preserve your lovely fantasy. She starts to act a little colder and she becomes more distant. She is more argumentative... but you push it off as your mind playing tricks on you and decide to press on.

Then, as sand continues to drip down the hourglass of your life, you notice that the trend of behavior is not reversing! The distance and isolation continues. To your dismay, it starts to become so noticeable that you can no longer ignore it. What was once a day or two away from your company turns into a week. Wanting to preserve your wonderful union, you rush to her and attempt to fix the leak in the ship of your love. You ask her, "Where have you been? Is there something wrong?" In return, she pleasantly, but flatly replies," School has been SO busy. Life has been SO hectic. I'm so sorry that I've been busy." Your perplexed attitude then shifts to one of relief because she has soothed your doubts. Your rational mind accepts her excuses and it quickly paves over reality with your desire to keep the dream alive. A big smile spreads across your face and you mutter to yourself, "Well my baby is just staying on top of her future. I'm proud of her!"

Things are lovely for another couple of weeks and all has returned to normal... You are content for a while... but once again, out of nowhere, the cycle of isolation and distance returns, this time more prominent than ever. You ask her, "What's been going on?" You are again presented with the same excuses of how busy she is and how school has overcome her. You don't press her further, but you aren't quite so quick to believe this time around. Still, not wanting to break this lovely union, you eventually take her at her word and once again fall into a state of contentment.

As the relationship continues, the distance game happens on and off, but you don't want the fantasy to disappear, so you continue to accept her company. You don't want to lose all of the time you've invested with her and you reason to yourself that you will never find a woman so lovely again, so you have to hold on by any means necessary. You WILL find a way to work it out, you think to yourself. Still, no matter how hard you try to reason, there is some strange thorn that keeps pricking you, telling you something isn't right. You wonder how someone that loves you so much could be so busy as not to contact you for weeks. In this age of communication, you wonder how she couldn't take 5 seconds out of her schedule to say, "Hey, how are you doing?"

Eventually, the curiosity in your mind about your 'perfect union' becomes stronger and stronger. It can no longer be satiated by the excuses your mind attempts to feed it. The urge has become so strong that you start to do some investigating. You quietly look on her facebook or instagram and you see your sweet darling in the club in the presence of several different men! You look at the time period and it is during those times she told you she was busy. How could this be? How could such a sweetheart be doing such things? Your diamond of a companion suddenly lose all of her luster as your mind races to the realization that you were but one of many men she was dealing with. In an instant, the dream shatters into an array of sharp fragments, each shard slicing your very soul. You sit in disbelief wondering how reality could be so cruel...

Ahh yes, the common tale of the man who buys a dream, but when dreams and reality do not converge, a broken heart lays in its wake. This, my friend, is a call to avoid crafting fantasies in your mind and paving over reality with them. It is much better to accept an ugly reality than to build on a pretty fantasy. The man who buys a dream from a woman and builds his life around such an ethereal substance will end up facing the harsh reality that eventually, we indeed must all wake up.

get married brehs
 

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Let me take a brief moment and rap to you a story we will call 'the dream'.

Maybe you are sitting in your college classroom or you are at Barnes and Noble. Maybe you are in the grocery store somewhere... but one fateful day, you come across this mysterious woman who gives you a seductive stare. You return the glance and find that who you can't keep your eyes off of her. She is gorgeous! Immediately, you make it up in your mind that you absolutely must have her. It takes a while, but you muster up enough courage to start a conversation with her because you certainly cannot let her pass you by. Expecting rejection or perhaps a cold, disinterested response, you are pleasantly surprised when you receive a greeting that is anything but. Her conversation is, in fact, smooth and intoxicating like aged wine and you become lost in the combination of her beauty and her company. You take down her number to keep in contact with her.

A few months pass and each day is sweeter than the last. How could you have missed her? Where was she your whole life? She is THE undiscovered diamond among the pile of coal, and YOU'VE found her! A huge smile plasters itself on your face. After all of this time, you've discovered the one you've been looking for your whole life. Yes, your heart is blanketed in the joy of having this beauty grace your life. You and your newfound love start spending countless moments together and you hope that it never ends... but alas, unlike fairy tales, happy endings are not guaranteed.

One day, out of the thin blue, something starts to irk you. Something has changed, but you can't quite tell what it is. Your senses pick up on it but your rational mind paves it over with whatever reasons if can muster to preserve your lovely fantasy. She starts to act a little colder and she becomes more distant. She is more argumentative... but you push it off as your mind playing tricks on you and decide to press on.

Then, as sand continues to drip down the hourglass of your life, you notice that the trend of behavior is not reversing! The distance and isolation continues. To your dismay, it starts to become so noticeable that you can no longer ignore it. What was once a day or two away from your company turns into a week. Wanting to preserve your wonderful union, you rush to her and attempt to fix the leak in the ship of your love. You ask her, "Where have you been? Is there something wrong?" In return, she pleasantly, but flatly replies," School has been SO busy. Life has been SO hectic. I'm so sorry that I've been busy." Your perplexed attitude then shifts to one of relief because she has soothed your doubts. Your rational mind accepts her excuses and it quickly paves over reality with your desire to keep the dream alive. A big smile spreads across your face and you mutter to yourself, "Well my baby is just staying on top of her future. I'm proud of her!"

Things are lovely for another couple of weeks and all has returned to normal... You are content for a while... but once again, out of nowhere, the cycle of isolation and distance returns, this time more prominent than ever. You ask her, "What's been going on?" You are again presented with the same excuses of how busy she is and how school has overcome her. You don't press her further, but you aren't quite so quick to believe this time around. Still, not wanting to break this lovely union, you eventually take her at her word and once again fall into a state of contentment.

As the relationship continues, the distance game happens on and off, but you don't want the fantasy to disappear, so you continue to accept her company. You don't want to lose all of the time you've invested with her and you reason to yourself that you will never find a woman so lovely again, so you have to hold on by any means necessary. You WILL find a way to work it out, you think to yourself. Still, no matter how hard you try to reason, there is some strange thorn that keeps pricking you, telling you something isn't right. You wonder how someone that loves you so much could be so busy as not to contact you for weeks. In this age of communication, you wonder how she couldn't take 5 seconds out of her schedule to say, "Hey, how are you doing?"

Eventually, the curiosity in your mind about your 'perfect union' becomes stronger and stronger. It can no longer be satiated by the excuses your mind attempts to feed it. The urge has become so strong that you start to do some investigating. You quietly look on her facebook or instagram and you see your sweet darling in the club in the presence of several different men! You look at the time period and it is during those times she told you she was busy. How could this be? How could such a sweetheart be doing such things? Your diamond of a companion suddenly lose all of her luster as your mind races to the realization that you were but one of many men she was dealing with. In an instant, the dream shatters into an array of sharp fragments, each shard slicing your very soul. You sit in disbelief wondering how reality could be so cruel...

Ahh yes, the common tale of the man who buys a dream, but when dreams and reality do not converge, a broken heart lays in its wake. This, my friend, is a call to avoid crafting fantasies in your mind and paving over reality with them. It is much better to accept an ugly reality than to build on a pretty fantasy. The man who buys a dream from a woman and builds his life around such an ethereal substance will end up facing the harsh reality that eventually, we indeed must all wake up.

:wow:

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What up yall. First off, I'm new here and it's a lot of good game that yall are putting out but I have a question. When you guys say" find a woman with value" what exactly does that mean?

A woman of value is someone to me whose traits are loyalty, one who values the happiness of others, and who is considerate and classy.

One who values men of value and does not sell her goods for cheap. Who practices monogamy, whose not in the club every Friday and Saturday.

She rarely loses her cool and is authentic, and carries herself wel.

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Btw one thing I've noticed with the past few women I've associated with, whether going out on a date or just talking etc.

These women are not religious etc. At all but once I drop that I'm a Christian and I go to church, they will quickly drop on me that they are 'spiritual' and pray at home

Such bs

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Let me take a brief moment and rap to you a story we will call 'the dream'.

Maybe you are sitting in your college classroom or you are at Barnes and Noble. Maybe you are in the grocery store somewhere... but one fateful day, you come across this mysterious woman who gives you a seductive stare. You return the glance and find that who you can't keep your eyes off of her. She is gorgeous! Immediately, you make it up in your mind that you absolutely must have her. It takes a while, but you muster up enough courage to start a conversation with her because you certainly cannot let her pass you by. Expecting rejection or perhaps a cold, disinterested response, you are pleasantly surprised when you receive a greeting that is anything but. Her conversation is, in fact, smooth and intoxicating like aged wine and you become lost in the combination of her beauty and her company. You take down her number to keep in contact with her.

A few months pass and each day is sweeter than the last. How could you have missed her? Where was she your whole life? She is THE undiscovered diamond among the pile of coal, and YOU'VE found her! A huge smile plasters itself on your face. After all of this time, you've discovered the one you've been looking for your whole life. Yes, your heart is blanketed in the joy of having this beauty grace your life. You and your newfound love start spending countless moments together and you hope that it never ends... but alas, unlike fairy tales, happy endings are not guaranteed.

One day, out of the thin blue, something starts to irk you. Something has changed, but you can't quite tell what it is. Your senses pick up on it but your rational mind paves it over with whatever reasons if can muster to preserve your lovely fantasy. She starts to act a little colder and she becomes more distant. She is more argumentative... but you push it off as your mind playing tricks on you and decide to press on.

Then, as sand continues to drip down the hourglass of your life, you notice that the trend of behavior is not reversing! The distance and isolation continues. To your dismay, it starts to become so noticeable that you can no longer ignore it. What was once a day or two away from your company turns into a week. Wanting to preserve your wonderful union, you rush to her and attempt to fix the leak in the ship of your love. You ask her, "Where have you been? Is there something wrong?" In return, she pleasantly, but flatly replies," School has been SO busy. Life has been SO hectic. I'm so sorry that I've been busy." Your perplexed attitude then shifts to one of relief because she has soothed your doubts. Your rational mind accepts her excuses and it quickly paves over reality with your desire to keep the dream alive. A big smile spreads across your face and you mutter to yourself, "Well my baby is just staying on top of her future. I'm proud of her!"

Things are lovely for another couple of weeks and all has returned to normal... You are content for a while... but once again, out of nowhere, the cycle of isolation and distance returns, this time more prominent than ever. You ask her, "What's been going on?" You are again presented with the same excuses of how busy she is and how school has overcome her. You don't press her further, but you aren't quite so quick to believe this time around. Still, not wanting to break this lovely union, you eventually take her at her word and once again fall into a state of contentment.

As the relationship continues, the distance game happens on and off, but you don't want the fantasy to disappear, so you continue to accept her company. You don't want to lose all of the time you've invested with her and you reason to yourself that you will never find a woman so lovely again, so you have to hold on by any means necessary. You WILL find a way to work it out, you think to yourself. Still, no matter how hard you try to reason, there is some strange thorn that keeps pricking you, telling you something isn't right. You wonder how someone that loves you so much could be so busy as not to contact you for weeks. In this age of communication, you wonder how she couldn't take 5 seconds out of her schedule to say, "Hey, how are you doing?"

Eventually, the curiosity in your mind about your 'perfect union' becomes stronger and stronger. It can no longer be satiated by the excuses your mind attempts to feed it. The urge has become so strong that you start to do some investigating. You quietly look on her facebook or instagram and you see your sweet darling in the club in the presence of several different men! You look at the time period and it is during those times she told you she was busy. How could this be? How could such a sweetheart be doing such things? Your diamond of a companion suddenly lose all of her luster as your mind races to the realization that you were but one of many men she was dealing with. In an instant, the dream shatters into an array of sharp fragments, each shard slicing your very soul. You sit in disbelief wondering how reality could be so cruel...

Ahh yes, the common tale of the man who buys a dream, but when dreams and reality do not converge, a broken heart lays in its wake. This, my friend, is a call to avoid crafting fantasies in your mind and paving over reality with them. It is much better to accept an ugly reality than to build on a pretty fantasy. The man who buys a dream from a woman and builds his life around such an ethereal substance will end up facing the harsh reality that eventually, we indeed must all wake up.

:to:

@the bolded, psychologists call this phenomenon cognitive dissonance, (right @Nudie? lol) and it basically revolves around trying to come to terms with how reality typically goes against your entire worldview, (what you have created in your mind to be true). Its like when a person on a diet eats like crap and then tries to rationalize why they did it, (e.g. cheat meal, it wasn't a lot...)

When you are reared in this society to believe that your happiness is based on some antiquated sense of basing your actions on a woman's response, it will only lead to disaster more often than not. That's why making it a point to avoid reality through accepting all of these insane rationalizations is so prevalent in society today; everybody believes that they are the exception to the rule. :childplease:

As articulated in many different ways by the men in this thread :salute:, life is really sooo much better to just cold cut the drama, stress, financial burden, mind games, attacks on masculinity, attacks on self-worth, jealously....(you get the picture):smugdraper:
 
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@the bolded, psychologists call this phenomenon cognitive dissonance, (right @Nudie? lol) and it basically revolves around trying to come to terms with how reality typically goes against your entire worldview, (what you have created in your mind to be true). Its like when a person on a diet eats like crap and then tries to rationalize why they did it, (e.g. cheat meal, it wasn't a lot...)

When you are reared in this society to believe that your happiness is based on some antiquated sense of basing your actions on a woman's response, it will only lead to disaster more often than not. That's why making it a point to avoid reality through accepting all of these insane rationalizations is so prevalent in society today; everybody believes that they are the exception to the rule. :childplease:

As articulated in many different ways by the men in this thread :salute:, life is really sooo much better to just cold cut the drama, stress, financial burden, mind games, attacks on masculinity, attacks on self-worth, jealously....(you get the picture):smugdraper:

You already know breh. I remember mentioning dissonance a couple weeks ago,..what was the post about again? :leostare:

It's hard to avoid, i've been guilty of it in relationships myself.
 
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You young nikkas :whoa: Trust me on this tho. When your girl initially calls or text you at any given time, instead of saying "yes"..."yea" ..."what up"...say "(insert name) You have my attention". It dont matter how long you take to respond to her text it wont matter because that statement lets her know its all about her

Example: My girl sends me texts or calls me first thing, every day

Her:queen: Hey you
Me:king:Ms Speight, you have my attention
 

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You young nikkas :whoa: Trust me on this tho. When your girl initially calls or text you at any given time, instead of saying "yes"..."yea" ..."what up"...say "(insert name) You have my attention". It dont matter how long you take to respond to her text it wont matter because that statement lets her know its all about her

Example: My girl sends me texts or calls me first thing, every day

Her:queen: Hey you
Me:king:Ms Speight, you have my attention

:laugh: I'll give it a try in the near future
 

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What kind of jewelry or clothing purchases have ya'll made recently or want to make?
I want to cop me an armani watch. I love black faces or white faces on watches
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Personally, I'm not much of an accessory dude; nothing is wrong with it, but I'm minimalist by nature.

Brand-wise...a.p.c., brooks brothers, some polo, banana republic, mark mcnairy and others are cool to me...
 
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