Question: Why is it always held against Kobe that he played with Shaq when Magic had Kareem?
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And Kobe would’ve won multiple chips with numerous all star big men. I mean Kobe did win 2 with gasol while shaq only won 1 with Wade/Penny
Kobe was never supposed to win without Shaq
Damn dawg u just came up wit a whole bunch of excuses that u would never give Kobe. Did u even read it?
Yea no one except NBA basketball players. U know the people who actually play the game
Bigblackted4
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Bird is literally better at everything offensively than Kobe. Hakeem is the greatest defender of all time to me sans Bill Russell and Duncan has a better run and was better longevity and has three playoff runs were he beat hall of famers throughout.
Columbo
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People forget how lucky the Celtics were to get that ring in 08, Kobe didnt have much help. Bynum missed the whole series and Ariza i think missed a few games, came back and wasnt himself
Kobe still got his two without Shaq. Meanwhile as the op already pointed out Magic played with other stars and his teams were loaded with talent
There should be a Kobe vs Magic thread, i mean no disrespect to Magic. Hes not far behind Kobe but Magic said himself Kobe was the goat Laker
Kobe still got his two without Shaq. Meanwhile as the op already pointed out Magic played with other stars and his teams were loaded with talent
There should be a Kobe vs Magic thread, i mean no disrespect to Magic. Hes not far behind Kobe but Magic said himself Kobe was the goat Laker
1. Larry Bird wouldn’t even co-sign you.
2. Hakeem being the greatest defender is subjective. You could say Russell, Rodman was a beast, but yeah Hakeem has a case for sure. Kobe being the second greatest at his position and one of the most prolific scorers ever is not up for any debates however.
3. Both played the same amount of seasons and won the same amount of titles. Kobe also faced and defeated multiple HOFers throughout including Duncan himself.
Ethnic Vagina Finder
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Without Shaq, Iverson has a ring.
Bird is the most debatable. The best argument for Bird is that he was a better leader made the right decisions and did everything it took to win rather than arguing over shots or volume shooting his team out of games. I rank Bird higher than Kobe, but I can understand the argument for Kobe.
Just curious what makes u say he’s a better leader ? I find it funny u say he did whatever it took to win in an argument against Kobe when he won more than birdKobe was a better winner, scorer LEADER and defender
Duncan was a more impactful all-around player than Kobe, someone who could control the game in multiple different ways. Kobe can be a net negative if he isn't hitting shots, Duncan could dominate the court whether his shots were falling or not. His 1999-2005 stretch (2 MVPs, 2 MVP runner-ups, and 3 Finals MVPs despite having to face prime Shaq that whole time and having a very average supporting cast) was a far more dominant stretch than any stretch in Kobe's career. He was clearly the best player on his team for 4 titles and borderline for the 5th, and was the clear team leader in all five.
How can u say duncan is more impactful when the spurs have made the playoffs every year since he retired? They made it to the wcf like a year after he retired and the last ring they won they won it even tho he was washed. Duncan is great but he was a system player and I think it’s obvious. He was never at any point in his career considered the best player in the league. If so please post quotes from players or people around the league stating that tim duncan is the best player in the league...I’ll wait
This is Duncan's 1999-2005 super-peak:
1999: 22-11-2 with 2.5 blocks/game, 23-12-3 with 3 blocks/game in the playoffs, 3rd in MVP, 5th DPOY, 27-14-2 and 2 blocks/game in the finals for Finals MVP
2000: 23-12-3 with 2 blocks/game, All-Star MVP, injured and missed playoffs, 5th in MVP (shut down early with injury)
2001: 22-12-3 with 2 blocks/game, 24-15-4 with 3 blocks/game in the playoffs, 2nd in MVP, 3rd DPOY
2002: 26-13-4 with 2.5 blocks/game, 28-14-5 with 4 blocks/game in the playoffs, Won MVP
2003: 23-13-4 with 3 blocks/game, 25-15-5 with 3 blocks/game in the playoffs, Won MVP, 4th DPOY, 25-17-5 and 5 blocks/game in the finals for Finals MVP
2004: 22-12-3 with 3 blocks/game, 22-11-3 with 2 blocks/game in the playoffs, 2nd in MVP, 7th DPOY
2005: 20-11-3 with 3 blocks/game, 24-12-3 with 2 blocks/game in the playoffs, 4th in MVP, 4th DPOY, 21-14-2 and 2 blocks/game in the finals for Finals MVP
Hakeem was one of the best all-around players in history. Prime Hakeem was absolutely dominant on both sides of the ball and had virtually no flaws in his game. He would step up in the playoffs every year, one of the few superstars in history who got MORE dominant in playoff time. His shytty supporting casts really hurt his legacy, but the title runs in 1994 and 1995 were extraordinary. I have Hakeem in my top-5 and you could make an argument for #4.
So Kobe wasn’t dominant on both sides of the ball? He has the most first all defensive team selections not to mention being better offensively. People forget Kobe was a lockdown defender. Look Hakeem is great but NO. Let’s be real he only has those rings because Jordan retired. And your argument is he “stepped” up in the playoffs but Kobe has more playoff wins so clearly he stepped up more times than Hakeem did
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Duncan got MVP votes in 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015. He would have been Finals MVP in 2013 if Ray misses that shot, and had a case for it in 2014. He was 1st-team All-NBA in 2013 and 2nd or 3rd team in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2015.
Saying that he wasn't elite after 2007 is on some bullshyt.
Not in 2000, 2001, or 2005.
Well that's cause your an idiot. In 5 of those 6 meetings you had Duncan with no other stars going up against Kobe AND prime Shaq, and Duncan won twice, but Duncan wasn't the best player on the court? Howdoes that work?
In the three times the Lakers won, you had Duncan and Shaq as the two main players canceling each other out, and Kobe was just better than the utter shyt that the Spurs had out on the perimeter. Pop chose to focus the defense around stopping Shaq and left Kobe out on a single-coverage island hoping he would shoot the Lakers out of the game. And it worked a couple times.
The fact that the Kobe/Shaq Lakers lost ANY series to Tim Duncan's Spurs is a testament to how much that pair underachieved.
Duncan got MVP votes in 2008, 2009, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015. He would have been Finals MVP in 2013 if Ray misses that shot, and had a case for it in 2014. He was 1st-team All-NBA in 2013 and 2nd or 3rd team in 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2015.
Saying that he wasn't elite after 2007 is on some bullshyt.
Not in 2000, 2001, or 2005.
Well that's cause your an idiot. In 5 of those 6 meetings you had Duncan with no other stars going up against Kobe AND prime Shaq, and Duncan won twice, but Duncan wasn't the best player on the court? How
In the three times the Lakers won, you had Duncan and Shaq as the two main players canceling each other out, and Kobe was just better than the utter shyt that the Spurs had out on the perimeter. Pop chose to focus the defense around stopping Shaq and left Kobe out on a single-coverage island hoping he would shoot the Lakers out of the game. And it worked a couple times.
The fact that the Kobe/Shaq Lakers lost ANY series to Tim Duncan's Spurs is a testament to how much that pair underachieved.
Duncan was a very good player after 07 but he was no longer a top 5 player no matter how you try to spin it.
How else are you gonna explain that Kobe OWNED the Spurs? I'll wait.
nikkaz gon finally stop all this ridiculous Kobe slander. If you hate him for non basketball reasons that’s cool but doesn’t mean you should say outright stupid shyt and deny the truth.